to be even pickier (is that the right word?).
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No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]
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to be even pickier (is that the right word?).
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I'm C/C++ developer with 20+ year of experience in coding, designing and testing complex projects. From my point of view all those excuses from FD and DB looks to me that they have broken design and that Offline Mode is really completely new project for them and I believe them. However, I can not stand the impression that not only design is broken but the development process was badly managed and that they ended in dead end with offline mode due to poor project management. Whatever the reason is, handling this matter in FD manner never resulted in good outcome for the company. Dropping the ball few weeks before final release with such explanation is pretty much insulting. I presume there are lot of old folks around here just like me 40+, who do see this as very poor and unfair attitude. I don't care if they will refund me my money or not - whatever the outcome is DB and FD are done deal for me.
By buying the beta access you also bought the full game. The store stated "On the game's full release you also get the Elite: Dangerous Mercenary Edition". This means the full game was part of the price paid. Stating otherwise would imply that the game's full release included in the beta package is worth zero, which is clearly not the case.
Basically the beta program was a bundle: for the "beta testing" part I agree that no refund is due, but the full game part was paid too and that part was promised to include offline mode.
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A curious, though oft stated, viewpoint. My own view is that if the online crowd didn't keep popping in and stoking the fires with the very same statements again and again this thread would have fizzled out days ago. Apart from sporadic eruptions as yet more backers got the bad news.
Your own post is but a repetition of many others before it, and yet you felt the need to say it anyway.
That is absolutely shocking. Nothing deserves that kind of reaction.
Um, you are aware of the insidious movement to tar all those who want refunds now offline play has been removed as thieves? And perhaps that those of us who were promised something we are not now going to get are also hurt and affected human beings at the other end of their communications?
It's not shocking in the least. I've had threats in the street just for having a particular company logo on my shirt.
But you've coded in a lot of other languages too in those 20 years right? Or was it more like 5 years or so of coding then 15 in architecture and design?
If it says Beta one of the things you get is the finished released game for being part of the startup testing process.
The problem is that, as has been pointed out countless times, these statements were not contradicted until last week. After the alpha, and after the majority of the beta period. After it was possible for the majority of customers to claim under Frontier's refund policy.
Now personally, I'd like to know exactly when the decision to ditch the offline mode was made. Not recently or not, the exact date.
comma inserted, sir. glad you didn't spot my unintentional misspelling of someone's name ; )
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The final game was already been purchased as part of the beta program bundle in some cases after explicit confirmation that it would have included offline mode. Those purchasing the game "standalone" have no issue since their refund requests are accepted, but those who bought the game as part of the beta program bundle should also receive partial refund, since the full final version of the game was part of the price paid.
^This. It's quite clear beta includes the provision of the full game.
Can I also say I'm not one of the people asking for a refund. I wanted offline mode however I'm willing to give online a go. However I strongly believe anyone that wants one should be entitled to one and I'm willing to speak up to protect other peoples rights.
Good lord no! thieves? I was aware that some people have wondered what would stop those who get a refund for a big old kickstarted pledge or early beta from just buying the cheaper game when it comes out. But I haven't read anything about them being called thieves.
Do you think any of those people were threatened?
Sorry I missed this one - and no, it's like throwing in the full game for free after you paid for the beta.
I believe it has to be phrased like that rather than the opposite to prevent people claiming a refund anytime upto the full release date after testing out the beta.
I think it's because they realise that the choice they have made to remove off-line has alienated a fairly large chunk of their origional backers and even some of those who bought in later and they think it does less damage to their business to let people vent here than it would to stiffle any expression of discontent here and force people to vent elsewhere on the web which is more likley to influence the buying decisions of those who have not pre-ordered or heard of the game yet when it comes out.
I think their right actually, imagine the press they would get if people complained to the gaming media that they where gaging anyone who wanted to protest this decision on their forums. In this they are at least showing good sense that was lacking when they tried to slip this in to a news later as a by-line.
Shame.
Shame on those <insert expletives plus livid description of mental shortcomings here> who sent/send those threats.
Shame.
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