No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]

[EbolaConundrum]

I don’t think Elite moving to a subscription model is out of the question in the future, ongoing costs for the servers need to be paid after all, they aren’t free not to mention support, etc. ask Blizzard. Ultimately Frontier wants to make money not break even as well.

I’m sure if you asked them now Frontier would say they have no intention of charging a subscription fee, they have said they plan to meet server costs through micro transactions but that these will be things like paint jobs for your ships not essentials or things that give you a big advantage in the game. The question is can they shift enough of these to pay for the up keep of the servers, especially as even those who don’t want to play online and use their servers are now forced too.

Only time will tell.

 

[WeirdWizard]

Hey you can't account for drunken peoples behavior is all i'm saying.

Mob mentality etc also it depends what they had on their placards if offensive i'd probs be "that" drunken guy stealing said placard and destroying it.

That's why i A don't get drunk and B won't be going

That's not very different from what I said and I got a warning for "incitement" so I'd be careful, of course you are "on their side" so...

 

[bsolar]

If you are offered the option, your choice, for a fee, of staying in the hotel to test out facilities and are given dinner at the end of your stay as a courtesy for doing so, you cannot claim a refund on the dinner because they changed beans for pees. You didn't specifically pay for the dinner and so can't really complain when it's changed.

In the example you make it was not specified the nature of the dinner. If as part of the deal you offered at the end of the stay a dinner, I request it to be beans, and you agreed... at the end of the stay you have to provide a beans' dinner. It's not something you do because you are generous, it's part of the deal we made. You cannot change it to a pees' dinner: if you do and I disagree, I am entitled for a refund since you failed to comply with the deal we agreed to.

Basically, when I agreed to the deal I did so also on the premise that I would have received a beans' dinner: you cannot change that premise unilaterally.

In this case Frontier promised some customers an "offline mode dinner".

 

[foxpur]

Wow, a whole 10 mins and just 2 posts... are you people tiring out?!
Go drink a Red Bull

Seriously, we might have finally started running out of steam on this thread and I honestly wouldn't mind one bit.

 

[EbolaConundrum]

OR it can be total inverse, you could find yourself in a station where your cargo has invaluable price because of shortcomings, or find that there's a mission paying good price for it, or find for policital reasons the goods became illegal and then, the local blackmarket could give you many credits for your cargo...

Evolving won't put you necessarily down the road.

But it will mean sudden illogical jumps in the continuity of the universe for me some negative, some positive none logical or anticipatable and imersion breaking.

 

[Skizomeuh]

I don't understand how pessimistics manage to adhere to the crowdfunding, to begin with.

 

[alan]

Sorry, it doesn't come with the territory, I don't imagine that was part of the job description, this shows how small minded some individuals are, there is no excuse for behaviour like that, I don't care how 'emotionally involved' the individual is, it takes time to formulate a response online, that is not some sort of 'in the heat of the moment' reaction. I now hope these individuals are being perused upon by some random Russion via an unsecure webcam!!!

Unfortunately not - but it comes with the territory sometimes.

Michael

 

[WeirdWizard]

I have setup a petition to FD to re instate the offline mode or at least shortly after release, it IS possible to have the mode hence we have been using it in BETA, obviosly some features wont work such as comms BUT all previous Eltes were offline and great so why cant this version be. An offline version will be different but still great.

Please if you agree sign this petition

Additionally please feel free to pass the link around

Bit more exposure because why not.

 

[SuBSynk]

That's not very different from what I said and I got a warning for "incitement" so I'd be careful, of course you are "on their side" so...

I'm not on anyone's side but my own and that of rationality.

People are passionate beings is what i'm saying.

Cant expect one set to be passionate but not the other.

Anyhow tis totally offtopic, ill let you get back to whatever it is you are doing here.

 

[Stoo]

Wow, a whole 10 mins and just 2 posts... are you people tiring out?!
Go drink a Red Bull

Seriously, we might have finally started running out of steam on this thread and I honestly wouldn't mind one bit.

Something tells me this will never go away

 

[Riandor]

Scenario to help some people understand why I have an issue with being forced to always play in the online the evolving universe;

I carefully select a cargo for a target system I know is offering a good price for it in one of my rare play sessions when I have a moment between work and looking after my family. I fly it there but before i can sell get called away. So I quit the game, I don’t get time to play again for another week and when I do I find the price my cargo will now fetch is much lower because in that week the market has become saturated in the system I’m in or maybe the system has changed hands and is no longer politically safe for me.

This has all happened over the course of a week or so and if you can play every day and can tie up loose ends when you quit rather than being called away urgently then this is fine. If you’re lucky to find a couple of hours to play every week or two and might have to quit in a hurry to help with a todler tantrum this is awful.

Does that help anyone understand why the evolving galaxy being changed by everyone else’s actions may not be a great thing for those who can only play infrequently? It’s the reason I avoid MMO games and in some ways while not an MMO on-line only, evolving universe only Elite will be worse.

Because without the changing mechanics you have very little. If there is no evolution, then what are you doing? Sight-seeing in progressively larger ships after grinding your trade route that never changes?

These systems require large numbers of Players to cause a flux and the implications of those changes are what generate the missions and the counter missions, the political change and combat scenarios... literally EVERYTHING hinges off of the evolution aspect.

That is why an offline version would be sooo empty. I am not even sure you would have the elements that Elite or Frontier offered up because the NPC AI is not (as far as my understanding goes) programmed to always appear or randomly generate in the way it was done in those old games. Here the AI evolves as well to the galaxy around it.

Yes it could be changed, but this is the point, too much needs to be done to get it to work.
Hey it could have been worse, they could have delayed the decision, launched with Multiplayer and then said tough luck. Yes the comms were late in the day, but the decision is understandable in my mind.

 

[foxpur]

Something tells me this will never go away

Shush, let me have my naïve delusions...

 

[WeirdWizard]

Sorry, it doesn't come with the territory, I don't imagine that was part of the job description, this shows how small minded some individuals are, there is no excuse for behaviour like that, I don't care how 'emotionally involved' the individual is, it takes time to formulate a response online, that is not some sort of 'in the heat of the moment' reaction. I now hope these individuals are being perused upon by some random Russion via an unsecure webcam!!!

Hold on so you respond to someone saying they've been threatened by ranting about how unacceptable it is to threaten someone, which it of course is, and end by "hoping" that someone else does them harm of some unspecified kind... can you not see the hypocrisy here?

 

[Skizomeuh]

But it will mean sudden illogical jumps in the continuity of the universe for me some negative, some positive none logical or anticipatable and imersion breaking.

Well that's a matter of taste: for some (me included) a non-anticipatable living universe generates quite the immersion actually. (And this, tied with the ability to play with other people in a visually stunning setting, was all I wished a future Elite would be while I was playing F:FE back then)

 

[EbolaConundrum]

I don't understand how pessimistics manage to adhere to the crowdfunding, to begin with.

I was optimistic about crowd funding when I backed this and then Godus; let’s just say my eyes have been opened by experience and it will be a long time before I’m optimistic about a crowd funded project again.

I was also willing to trust Frontier at the time but since that trust has been violated I don’t think it’s at all pessimistic or unjustified that I no longer take what they say at face value.

 

[Smackz]

The few occasions I've pre-ordered a game, backed a game on Kickstarter, or bought an early-access game, I've gone in with the full understanding it could all go wrong and/or the game could be rubbish. That's the risk to me; my money, my risk. Those pre-orders/kickstarters/early-access/etc are all sold on the proviso that development may change, features may change, etc etc. It's all a gamble - so I don't pay what I can't risk to lose.

Thankfully, ED and some of my other purchases (Banished, Divinity Original Sin) have been brilliant gambles

Oh I quite agree but on the average these early investments have turn out bad, thus I should have learned from my previous mistakes as with this one, my Bad...just say'in.

 

[alan]

yes, I can however threatening people after the fact is the issue. I wasnt' threatening anyone though, was I?

Hold on so you respond to someone saying they've been threatened by ranting about how unacceptable it is to threaten someone, which it of course is, and end by "hoping" that someone else does them harm of some unspecified kind... can you not see the hypocrisy here?

 

[Greyshadow]

Ah but you have ordered the concept of a Bean Burger, hopefully with several trimmings, but chef is still trying to get it all to work, so you know, subject to change.

Well burgers and beans aside the key difference is finished product vs description of a product still in flux. I have to say I DO agree with the asking for a refund on the value of the finished product if it is not something you now want, but losing the value of the BETA. That at least makes sense.

Though those of you with Internet connections now up in arms I feel are being a little over precious, over what was always only ever a side feature.

The Beta is a work still in flux. A released product is released product regardless. If my product says it included this when I buy it then I should get it or my money back. They did no say on there store page that Offline may be in there when I first bought the 75 dollar beta it said it would be there and now it isn't. This is no where near the same as deciding not to put in a particular ship or weapon.

Offline was not a feature, it was not an added bonus to the game it was a CORE mechanic that was removed. Its like buying a vacuum that runs on batteries and a powercord and buying it to find out that there is no powercord included because there is no need since you can still use it on batteries. Everything runs better with a powercord instead of batteries. I should not be the one that has to be responsible in making sure that vacuum I bought because it ran off both always has batteries when it should have had the power cord. ED online is like running everything on batteries. Sure it will run and you can use it but you never know when those batteries will die and you will get disconnected.

FD Should have labeled the game as ED online, they should not have included the offline core mechanic as part of the purchase when they already admitted they knew it may not work at the beginning of the beta and not tell anyone PERIOD. No matter what anyone says there is absolutely no excuse for this.

FD made a big mistake. its done. Now they do the right thing and deal it the correct way which would be offer those people with certain expections of what they were getting with the purchase and credit back the retail price and thats it. Will they? No... Why? Because they honestly can't afford it.

 

[WeirdWizard]

yes, I can however threatening people after the fact is the issue. I wasnt' threatening anyone though, was I?

You were wishing harm upon them which is essentially the same thing.

 

[mipko]

I feel the need to explain why offline mode is important for me. I want to play video game, on casual basis. I want to be able to save my status, reload it and continue where I stopped. I don't like nor have time for participating in dynamic universe where if I do not participate for some time things can turn dramatically - so I need to actively participate in it if I want to have some improvements. I want to play video game not to live in online parallel dynamic universe at all. It is simply my attitude and impression it is not something that is by any means standard or must for any other person. And I'm not trying to convince anyone that online is bad for him as it is bad for me.
That's why I feel bad when FD tries so hard to convince me that online is the best possible experience. Maybe it is for majority but not for me. If they have stated that there will be no offline mode ever, than I would not rant at all. I would simply pass ED. However, they false advertized the features they seems never intended to build. I won't participate in this issue any more. I wish them the best of luck with this project.