So you haven't bought a P2 or T8 prebuilt?
Apparently there is a big "I WON!" button in the middle of the screen whenever you climb into the cockpit...
What the new secret feature should be
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Apparently there is a big "I WON!" button in the middle of the screen whenever you climb into the cockpit...
Can we get a "I WON " bubble head button for the cockpit ?? Just asking for a friend
And it often isn't even the most efficient way possible, only the most low-skill, low attention, and of course least fun way possible.
Rumour has it that's buried somewhere in the depths of the already copious discussion of this tired notion.
Maybe ask the guy that asked for grind? I'm the one that would prefer creative gameplay.Define grind? It’s a debate as old as time. For me mining is a grind, for others it’s the best part of the game.
You underestimate some of our fellow players ability to turn anything into a grind and then complain about it.
So the "creative gameplay" will definitely last longer since it will eventually be turned into grind anyway and therefore can't last less long than grind?
This is getting complicated.
Eventually might be overstating things.So the "creative gameplay" will definitely last longer since it will eventually be turned into grind anyway and therefore can't last less long than grind?
This is getting complicated.
So the "creative gameplay" will definitely last longer since it will eventually be turned into grind anyway and therefore can't last less long than grind?
This is getting complicated.
That’s the problem with truly creative gameplay. Since there’s many creative ways to interact with it, it’s almost inevitable that someone will discover a way transform it into a dull grind, and then complain about how dull and grindy it is. The main attraction of grindy gameplay is that it guarantees results, even though takes much longer than more skillful gameplay where results aren’t guaranteed.
Frontier’s biggest problem IMO is that they respond to those complaints by buffing the grindy way of doing things, rather than add another alternative to that grindy way of doing things, which would be more appealing to more people.
Nah, it was the solution that brought that, not the thinking. Solutions can be engaging/interesting if there is the will and resources for it.
Grind isn't inherently a bad thing. Diablo and other games are predicated on the grind, and people enjoy it.
Its never a question as to whether a game is a grind, its a question of whether the grind (if it exists) is enjoyable.
How about (and prepare the salt spreaders here) - Offline Mode!
Because it's ten years and they might be looking to sunset the game without taking the game away from people.
(grabs coat and runs) 
Personally, I hope it's base building, and if they could put on-foot VR in there as well, that would make my year!
Because it's ten years and they might be looking to sunset the game without taking the game away from people.
(grabs coat and runs) Personally, I hope it's base building, and if they could put on-foot VR in there as well, that would make my year!
Good point. That's definitely a problem but it's only a minor one.
The biggest problem with creative gameplay is it has a high risk of just being bad. Creative ideas are original by definition. And original ideas haven't been proven to work. In fact most of the obviously good ideas have already been attempted which means original creative ideas have a much higher chance of failure.
It's complicated even further by the fact that original ideas not only need to be fundamentally good but they also need to be executed well. For example: Power Play 1.0 is (IMO) a fundamentally good original idea (merits, expansions, cycles, pledging, etc) but the execution left a lot to be desired (IMO). When people request "creative" gameplay they seem to assume it'll be great by default.
Knowing FDev, it'll make much more sense for the new feature to be something that's been proven to work with an ED coat of paint. Base building is a classic example of this and it would fit perfectly into ED's core mechanics and "grind".
That is essentially the argument for why Odyssey ("space legs") would be a superb idea for a feature popular with every ED player and attracting many new ones too.
Proven to work: FPS and FPRPG are two of the most popular genres in general and have been pretty much since computers got powerful enough to do them at all
ED coat of paint: Odyssey is basically "Elite Dangerous but on foot" transferring all the classic things you can do with a spaceship into an on-foot setting.
Of course, it didn't quite work out like that.
I was thinking gameplay that can be used creatively by the player, as opposed to unique gameplay created by the developers. Gameplay that rewards out-of-the-box thinking, as opposed to gameplay that only has one way to interact with it.
Some of the community have said they have wanted those things, but I am not sure even if you lump the two groups together it is a large enough fraction to claim that the community as a whole want either one.
Nothing I have wanted ever, more PvE gameplay that uses legs yes, more landable planets yes, but the old base building thing has been pushed by a few, very few players only in recent years, I haven't seen a major community demand for it. There has of course always been requests for more PvP gameplay, but there has also always been requests for more exploration gameplay, and since the last major update was actually PvP it's about time exploration got a boost.
An error on the Frontier Store web code (yes, there are some who examine even that for tinfoil), which was rapidly removed, suggested it in the ED page...
Then there was that faultless 'leak' some years ago that predicted everything in ED apart from EDO,the Thargoid war and the Scorpion SRV (and probably more), which is taken as genuine by some.
Some folk have determined that as NMS & Starfield have base building, that ED must be about to follow suit...