Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Fizzatron

Fizzatron
StuartGT said:
Erm... sorry to burst your Eurogamer-and-CIG-conspiracy bubble, but Eurogamer already reviewed SC back in 2018, after it first released as early access with alpha 3.0
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Star Citizen, I am disappointed

Star Citizen is a bit like an Instagram account: what you see looks amazing but the reality is hollow. As it stands, at…
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With all due respect @StuartGT, I invite you to play a game of spot the difference...

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Would you like to take back the conspiracy bubble accusation please?
 

metatheurgist

metatheurgist
[VR] Mad Mike said:
to be fair elite dangerous had a similar vibe back in the day. anyone remember pizza Friday?
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Nah, it's not the same. First of all, Frontier were in the process of actually delivering a game, not selling smoke. That time was when the dev team was in Friday crunch to roll out the first updates so some forumers decided (initially as a joke) to send them pizza. Sure it turned in a sign of appreciation that they were doing Friday crunch but it wasn't the dreamy "we love everything you do" even though they're getting scammed situation the cultists citizens are in. And yeah, after 10 years of average product we've well and truly turned. 😛😄
 

StuartGT

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Wotthe Dickens

Wotthe Dickens
metatheurgist said:
Nah, it's not the same. First of all, Frontier were in the process of actually delivering a game, not selling smoke. That time was when the dev team was in Friday crunch to roll out the first updates so some forumers decided (initially as a joke) to send them pizza. Sure it turned in a sign of appreciation that they were doing Friday crunch but it wasn't the dreamy "we love everything you do" even though they're getting scammed situation the cultists citizens are in. And yeah, after 10 years of average product we've well and truly turned. 😛😄
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I do remember though once, David talking on lave radio I believe, and he made me choke a little when he laughed when suggesting that the devs where having to put in some crunch time.
I didn’t like that attitude of laughing at this fact.
However whimsical and inoffensive he is, as a dev who has been on the wrong end of crunch, I thought his comment and laugh stank.
Ed: but I’m not bitter lol
 
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metatheurgist

metatheurgist
Wotthe ens said:
I do remember though once, David talking on lave radio I believe, and he made me choke a little when he laughed when suggesting that the devs where having to put in some crunch time.
I didn’t like that attitude of laughing at this fact.
However whimsical and inoffensive he is, as a dev who has been on the wrong end of crunch, I thought his comment and laugh stank.
Ed: but I’m not bitter lol
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Depends on the crunch culture. Some crunch is hard to avoid at software dev. Constant or consistent crunch is just bad planning. Hopefully at Frontier they have the good type.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
I dunno... i believe SC has wasted a huge amount of time and cash constantly refactoring and what not and it is annoying.

however as much as it is taking longer than i would like, and i am definitely not drinking the CiG kool aid, imo it is starting to come together now. Do people still really think that it will never launch as a "working" game, and that the whole thing is a snake oil scam?

I paid $60, or maybe $65 for SC and S42 and they are not getting another penny from me until the game is playable without wipes...... I am not at all concerned that it will not launch and when it works a lot of what is in there is impressive.

As for the amount of stuff they are selling to the whales. I can see why it is considered a bit shady, but at the end of the day so long as it is adults buying all their crap then really that is on them....... its not like they are selling smack to kids.

I will wait to see how predatory the game is in terms of money grubbing after it is released, until then, all this money being thrown at them is voluntary. imo there could easily be some shocked (and likely angry) backers once the game launches when they realise that some of the gear they spend a lot of money on is not that difficult to earn in game..... but if that happens it is on them imo for not reading the small print.

OTOH maybe it will launch and it will be a mtx filled pile of crap with every free to play money grubbing tactic in there known to man..... in which case i will dust off my pitchfork but until then i am happy to wait and see.

That said the 1 area i do not like (and as this is already set in stone i feel it is worth comment on) is the life time insurance you get some the paid for ships. having ships which cost money that translate to free replacements in game is P2W gone too far imo and that i really am not a fan of... it also means such ships could easily be used to troll other players as owners of such ships have nothing to fear in any encounter.

if a player wants to buy a ship with cash........ so long as it is earnable in game in a fair and actual achievable manner i am not that bothered about, but imo once it is bought it should be treated exactly the same as any other ship of its type in the game regardless of how it was earned.
 
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Viajero

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Viajero
[VR] Mad Mike said:
however as much as it is taking longer than i would like, and i am definitely not drinking the CiG kool aid, imo it is starting to come together now. Do people still really think that it will never launch as a "working" game, and that the whole thing is a snake oil scam?
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The thing is that the question is really moot. CIG has already released SC in Early Access. As such CIG can stay there indefinitely. It has no further obligations.

Unless you think the released product constitutes bait and switch fraud, whether we view SC as a “working” game or not is irrelevant. It is already out there, launched.

All it is really missing is its fair share of regular press reviews, as imperfect as they may be, to help the market as an additional info reference point for prospective buyers.
 
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[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Agony_Aunt said:
Working to some extent, eventually, perhaps. What it will never be is the game they sold to backers.
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true enough, but when is it ever?
I went through quite the reality check with Elite Dangerous, going from what could be back in the backing and pre release phase (big game hunting on ELWs, blowing the side off anacondas and EVAing in to hijack the vessel, every ship designed ready for walking around our ship interiors, hiring a ships crew with their own personalities, different skill sets for different roles that we could train up and a backstory with possible mini missions, hiring npc wingmates with similar features to crew, building hidden personal bases inside of asteroids (although not at launch, but coming in a future DLC)................................... through to what we got......

In truth SC wont disappoint me because, I backed it because of wing commander and privateer, and both of those games whilst great were always the pretender to the Elite throne for me anyway...

and if SC is to privatieer what S42 is to wing commander............... i genuinely am confident i will get my wing commander itch scratched "fairly" soon anyway. feel free to post back here laughing at me in 15 months time but i reckon S42 will get a 2025 release. (and that i am more interested in than SC anyway as i dont like forced multiplayer games with PvP
 
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