No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]

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phlOgistOn

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Jonbe54 said:
Fan boy is a perfectly reasonable and accurate description of a person who repeatedly attacks persons who don't toe the company line.
There are far FAR more derogatory terms available, but it's pretty simple really if you get offended by being described thus you are very thin skinned. If you display unthinking aggressive behaviour to perfectly reasonable requests from fellow posters because you feel it is attacking the product you espouse then you are a fan boy.
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It's still just ad hominem name calling rather than trying to discuss the points in hand though which isn't how reasoned discussion works. Even 'fan boys' can have valid discussion points and calling them a fan boy won't make those points disappear it just exacerbates the situation by trying to belittle their status and nullify their opinion.

I've never been offended on an online forum.
 
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piotrr said:
Name-calling is not allowed. Rules aren't optional. This is Sol, not Riedquat.
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MMMMM perhaps you could read back to some of the posts such 'enthusiactic but misguided' - there is that better??? - people made about those they considered to be attacking the object of their 'affections'??

But then again perhaps not, why bother with a balanced view when one can simply have a knee jerk reaction?

Carry on then.
 

van-tolen

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I just started hearing about this problem... I never knew this game was even going to have an offline/single player mode. now that its not... it makes no diff to me.
I don't see the concern, ive been playing a lot, and never seem to have any run ins with other players anyhow. I see them... but never get coms or attacked or vice versa. just pretend youre in single player mode and youll be fine.
 

nexxo

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Papa Smurf said:
We all get it Nexxo... But this info shouldn't come from you but from FD. Also there is only one way to fix this major frack up!

1) Apologize, Beg for Forgiveness, Throw yourself at the mercy of people,
2) Offer full refunds to anyone that feels that this change breaks the commitment that was made (and pray to all the gods you believe in that this will be forgotten and people believe you)
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It is honourable to apologise and to make amends. But it is also honourable to forgive those who try to repent. It is not honourable to demonise someone for making a mistake, or to expect them to humiliate themselves for your satisfaction.
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You behave as someone who wishes compensation, but not as someone who wishes justice.
 
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phlOgistOn said:
It's still just ad hominem name calling rather than trying to discuss the points in hand though which isn't how reasoned discussion works. Even 'fan boys' can have valid discussion points and calling them a fan boy won't make those points disappear it just exacerbates the situation by trying to belittle their status and nullify their opinion.

I've never been offended on an online forum but I do like a mass debate.
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I've never regarded accurate descriptive prose as name calling but then there you go I guess I'm just not thin skinned enough to understand the sensitivities of such fragile souls.

Farewell gentle people and goodbye.
 

piotrr

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Jonbe54 said:
MMMMM perhaps you could read back to some of the posts such 'enthusiactic but misguided' - there is that better??? - people made about those they considered to be attacking the object of their 'affections'??
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Never said that was better. Never defended it.

Jonbe54 said:
But then again perhaps not, why bother with a balanced view when one can simply have a knee jerk reaction?
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Also not better.
 

Papa Smurf

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nexxo said:
It is honourable to apologise and to make amends. But it is also honourable to forgive those who try to repent. It is not honourable to demonise someone for making a mistake, or to expect them to humiliate themselves for your satisfaction.
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You behave as someone who has been wronged, but not as someone who wishes justice.
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Nexxo,

How am I behaving that would lead you to think this?
Also I am curious to know in your opinion what type of justice do you think would be appropriate in this case?

Cheers,
 

Juniper

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Zuikaku said:
Too bad others were not like you. while you were caring about needs of online version, those who wanted to play online version were caring only about online version...
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Believe it or not, Frontier are not wrong when they say they feel the majority are more interested in the online version. Just because you and I are not a fan of it, doesn't make that any less true.

Those who want offline (not solo - offline) are a minority, but a significant one nonetheless. That's why this has exploded the way it has. Our needs have been very poorly represented, and we've been very poorly treated by Frontier from start to current on this.

I think though that they've well and truly got the message now, and hopefully the promised review after release will reveal something positive. I think a DDF topic on options available is a good idea, so +1 for WeirdWizard for suggesting that. Ideally, if it happens, it would be better if it wasn't exclusive to the DDF, but we've seen the worst of the community over the past week so it would get quickly derailed I fear. Too much in the way of misunderstandings and downright selfish ignorance on the part of the online crowd makes that impossible. :( These people have only served to confirm though why offline mode is essential for Elite.
 

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So, if mods are willing to remove the ones that come here only to poke and provoke, can we get to some more constructive discussion.
I still see few major problems here:

1. Refunds. At this stage they should be unconditional. If FDs were so "carried away" to forget or neglect work on announced "offline solo", then they should refund all (and by that I really mean all) those who backed them or bought the game hoping to be able playing solo offline

2. Possible future of the solo. Still no clear answer. In letter #49 it was NO. In letter #50 it was "maybe later". so is it definitively NO or YES. Since some of us are pending refund requests cause this tiny string of hope, but it would be fair to let us know. Don't know about others but I will surely never like online "connection lost" ,no pause, experience.

3. Why don't you restart kickstarter for solo? Offer "offliners" their money to be redirected there instead of refunds. You woul'd surely not need as much funds for modifying engine as for the whole game (with ships and galaxy almost complete now). be flexible and show that you listen to the comunity! Restore the faith and trust lost!
 

Solei

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Drexen said:
I agree with him over this. If they refund Alpha and Beta backers there will be some who take the refunds and then buy the game for £35/£40. However, that is not our problem. It's Frontier's.
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I really want to keep the expansion pass, decal and this commander, but as it is now I'll rather have the refund and then -maybe- re-buy everything later, when -and if- Frontier actually deliver.
 

piotrr

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CMDR Don't Shoot said:
I wrote 'get mail'. Can it get mail when you're offline? no.

You're all cute with your little advice though. Good on you! bring up your reading skills and you're almost there.
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I honestly thought you might be just a little happy about the neat Chrome App for offline Gmail, but you opted for insults instead and that's not cool.

Still, most clients (that aren't Chrome apps) are offline e-mail. Yes, they download mail when you poll the server or sync with Exchange or IMAP, but most of your reading and writing is actually offline.

Getting mail offline, what, like paper mail? Ever play XCOM PBEM? No reason you couldn't print those messages to a EAN or similar scannable code and send it via carrier pigeon.

Or you know, be rude again.

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Juniper said:
Believe it or not, Frontier are not wrong when they say they feel the majority are more interested in the online version. Just because you and I are not a fan of it, doesn't make that any less true.
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I have no problem believing it as long as there's some evidence of this. On the other hand we seem to agree that it doesn't really matter.
 
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phlOgistOn

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Zuikaku said:
So, if mods are willing to remove the ones that come here only to poke and provoke, can we get to some more constructive discussion.
I still see few major problems here:

1. Refunds. At this stage they should be unconditional. If FDs were so "carried away" to forget or neglect work on announced "offline solo", then they should refund all (and by that I really mean all) those who backed them or bought the game hoping to be able playing solo offline

2. Possible future of the solo. Still no clear answer. In letter #49 it was NO. In letter #50 it was "maybe later". so is it definitively NO or YES. Since some of us are pending refund requests cause this tiny string of hope, but it would be fair to let us know. Don't know about others but I will surely never like online "connection lost" ,no pause, experience.

3. Why don't you restart kickstarter for solo? Offer "offliners" their money to be redirected there instead of refunds. You woul'd surely not need as much funds for modifying engine as for the whole game (with ships and galaxy almost complete now). be flexible and show that you listen to the comunity! Restore the faith and trust lost!
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I agree with 1 but there needs to be some kind of coverage to prevent malcontents from demanding refunds just because the opportunity has arisen when they had not initially invested purely for offline. (ie the 200hrs-of-beta-played-already, refund-now-buy-cheaper-at-a-later-date and persons-that-bought-in-before-offline-was-even-mentioned audiences.)

No issue with 2, although if it removes substantial funding from the online development then it could be a bad thing.

3 sounds awesome.
 

JiminyJickers

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Zuikaku said:
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3. Why don't you restart kickstarter for solo? Offer "offliners" their money to be redirected there instead of refunds. You woul'd surely not need as much funds for modifying engine as for the whole game (with ships and galaxy almost complete now). be flexible and show that you listen to the comunity! Restore the faith and trust lost!
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I think that would be a good compromise. Kickstarter the money required to hire/pay some extra staff to do a separate offline mode and everyone can be happy. You can even make it not tied to the online version in any way as far as I'm concerned.

But it seems that they are just no longer interested in doing an offline version at all no matter the circumstances. A pretty disappointing view as far as I'm concerned.
 
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