According to this thread, Planet Coaster 2 is launching with at least 118 rides + several slides confirmed, which is way more than the original game at launch, so I would expect that PZ2 will have a very big roster of animals when it releases. I think the number of submissions allowed should be minimum 150.
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I don’t think requiring Latin names will result in elitism, it takes 20 seconds to check them. If that’s truly a concern, just ask people to resubmit with the Latin names for more qualitative data. You don't have to rudely exclude people when aggregating data.
It doesn't matter how long it takes to check, there's high chance that people who are met with something unfamiliar (which Latin names for majority are) will be intimidated from submiting their list from the get-go.
Same goes from resubmitting, it doesn't matter if it's easy and simple if it doesn't sound easy and simple for casual fans.
Original Meta Wishlist did so well because it was so simple to participate in, and could be "advertised" on more casual platforms (like YT or Reddit)
But it does add a barrier with little to no benefit. The reason I'm against it is also because I don't see much added value of the Latin names. Very few names are actually ambiguous and common name alternatives can be incorporated into the code.
The only list we managed with Latin names thus far is the foliage wishlist, and I ended up having to look for the Latin names by myself. Those lists were only 20-25 species, so for a list of 100 animals you're just complicating thins unnecessarily.
The reality is that the majority of the playerbase will never see the wishlist polling because they don’t even know this forum exists. Sure, we’ll definitely see less votes, but the votes we do get will be by informed people making an educated decision. Someone needs to teach people, and I’m more than happy to take on that role. If that labour means getting higher-quality data, then that’s something I will fight to see come true.
And I’d much rather we have limited submissions rather than being forced to log 100+ arbitrary and vague entries from potentially hundreds of people.
And I’d much rather we have limited submissions rather than being forced to log 100+ arbitrary and vague entries from potentially hundreds of people.
It is literally lower quality data, in this context more participants = higher quality data
That's a noble cause, but that's not what Meta Wishlist is for.
Quality of original one was completely fine. There were maybe a few points of contention, but nothing too big that needed revamp of how it was done. We had three successful Meta Wishlists that all operated the same way.
What does an 'educated decision' mean in this case? We're not asking people about rocket science. We're asking them which animals they would like to see in a game. It's purely about their opinion.
I would like to know what your criteria are for an educated decision, and what reason we have to assume (based on earlier wishlists) that people are not already making such decisions.
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There are several content creators here. If they promote this project outside this forum that would increase the number of voters. They don't need to be subscribe to the forums to vote if links to the survey are shared in other platforms. DeLady did a survey about PZ and got a lot of responses.
You're right. The ugly truth is that this list is already limited to the small fraction of the player base that engages in social media and the forum.
So, we should by all means avoid any further barriers that hinder the potential representativeness of the list, and forcing to use latin names is a clear one if you ask me.
Ok well we need either a private message group or a discord sever for those of us who will actually end up running the list, personally in favour of a discord sever due to the number of people who have expressed interest, although I think a lot of people are waiting for the next unlocked to see what is said
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I will say to add on to it real quick, I think relying on scientific names would greatly decrease the amount of people willing to participate.
I know I for one would not be excited to copy and paste the scientific name for over 150 animals, it’s just another barrier for entry that we are trying to eliminate.
Also quick question: I think SuzieSky did this on her wishlist, but could we potentially “tally up” certain animal groups. I just think it’s another good way of looking at the data. Like people could be voting for over 20+ species of ducks, but if you combine waterfowl into a group you will be able to see how frequently they are requested.
I know I for one would not be excited to copy and paste the scientific name for over 150 animals, it’s just another barrier for entry that we are trying to eliminate.
Also quick question: I think SuzieSky did this on her wishlist, but could we potentially “tally up” certain animal groups. I just think it’s another good way of looking at the data. Like people could be voting for over 20+ species of ducks, but if you combine waterfowl into a group you will be able to see how frequently they are requested.
This was done in a little sub-project on the original meta-wishlist by random goat. I think it would make sense to do it if we can, but I'd suggest we don't double-count when users vote for multiple species. Let's say I vote for a great white pelican, brown pelican, Australian pelican and Dalmatian pelican, this will be counted as one vote for a pelican, rather than four.
No I agree, I admittedly want a ton of ducks and waterfowl. But it would be best to count all my votes as +1 person to not skew the data. That way no one person can come on here and make a list of 150+ waterfowl species and mess with us.
Yeah that's much better for some things like pelicans, but for some other groups like let's say cranes or ducks, that have very distinctive species and people want particular ones if all votes go for "crane" or "duck" might not show the demand for specific species. Like for instance is not the same for me having a red crowned crane and a Grey crowned crane. I have different uses for them. Same with Say mandarín duck vs mallard vs White face whistling duck. I might want to see all three rather than just one to cover all ducks. Granted that is possible what we might end up with because Frontier's allergy to birds, but still i think the list should show demanda for specific species over others.