Again, the numbers issue is remedied by decreasing the workload on vote collectors with reducing the maximum. I see no reason why a wishlist for new species should have such a high maximum when a restriction of 50 or even 20 is perfectly serviceable.
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Man just please stop talking about this, you have more than made your point but your not going to convince anyone by keeping on going, we have reached a consensus almost everyone disagrees with you, its like the whole spurred tortoise in the walkthrough argument you had a little while a go
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Cool, sorry that I care about data collection I guess? I don't really expect people to agree, I just wish for the devs to have the most qualitative data possible without having to make any assumptions or do any guesswork because of vague data or arbitrary leniency.
I still think I have the most difficult job for a wishlist in regards to displaying correct data, I have to collect various paragraphs worth of suggestions and merge them all into one single suggestion and a simple to read 1 or 2 sentence explanation. Doesn't help when not everyone has english as their first language or want a very specific change that anyone else doesn't want for the same thing.
@Mjmannella I genuinely get your point and in an ideal world it'd be infinitely better if everyone used the scientific name as this would avoid some confusions.
Believe me, I myself wanted to be that sharp and strict with the OG metawishlist but at some point you need to compromise if you want the project to be somewhat meaningful.
Only in this very thread you've already heard from a number of PZ active community members that they wouldn't vote if forced to use the Latin name. That speaks for itself. It's not feasible.
Believe me, I myself wanted to be that sharp and strict with the OG metawishlist but at some point you need to compromise if you want the project to be somewhat meaningful.
Only in this very thread you've already heard from a number of PZ active community members that they wouldn't vote if forced to use the Latin name. That speaks for itself. It's not feasible.
Well, I guess I'll have to sail my own ship if nobody else is going to support having the most qualitative data possible.
Whatever the final format is I hope you'll participate anyway mate 
I'll still cast votes, I just wish my votes wouldn't be muddied by my concerns mentioned earlier.
I'd appreciate having one too
My only points of contention with the previous list was it didnt reach enough people and the data needed cleaning to remove animals no longer wanted.
guess you wont mind having no votes for howler monkeys then because every single time someone submits it on my list they just say howler monkey never give the species in an ideal world yes exclude generic votes but there will be cases where the majority of people think that something is a species but it really isnt like the howler monkey or grey kangaroo because only one species has major coverage and has stolen the common name. If the entry is above a genus level sure exclude the data but if its at the genus level I say we make our best approximation.
I truly understand your point of view and yes having people give scientific names will help make the data alot more consistent. I however believe what we are trying to do which is a survey of as much of the planet zoo player base as possible implicitly means including as much data as possible regardless of the education level of the participate or quality of their entires. Thousands of people play planet zoo daily and even something as popular as random goats wishlist only got a couple of hundred votes we are never going to get enough data to accurately predicate the needs of the whole community and this was the number one flaw of the meta wishlist is that it already requires a certain level of "education" to access. limiting access further by excluding people who dont know what a scientific name is or dont have the time to find it will hurt the data more than some bad entries will as it will narrow both the sample size and what crosssection of the community we can look at. In this sort of scenario the quality of the data doesn't really matter as much as the quantity will.
We're never going to reach everybody regardless of what rulings are made, so what is the point in compromising quality? If we're working with unavoidable limited sample sizes, we may as well ensure it's as qualitative as possible so it can give something clear to the devs.
Again, it takes maybe 20 seconds to copy-paste a Latin name from Wikipedia. And if they don't know what to look for, evacuate people. I have said this multiple times, and the mute responses from everyone only tell me that nobody is interested in educating people. As someone who was interested in Planet Zoo because of the proclaimed conservation elements, not extending the messages of education across the broader community is very disappointing to me.
I'm guessing the question we're focusing on is "What do you want in PZ2 at launch?", rather than "What do we want from PZ2 as a whole?"
It really feels like it should be a separate thread for returning animals, given they all eventually will come back based on JWE2, and there's the fact people are after remodels, which seem logically more likely the later we get them, which is going to influence that decision.
Strawpolls for every animal with the options "Needs a Remodel", "Remodel preferred" & "Perfectly fine" is probably the easiest way to tackle remodels. They don't seem to expire either, I've got strawpolls from 4 years ago that you can still contribute to, like this one. https://strawpoll.com/5hzddb13
You could also go for strawpolls on rating the value of returning species into "Essential for base game" & "Can return in DLC".
The problem with strawpolls is accuracy, they do claim to check IP address, and prevent VPN users from voting, but I would think it's not that hard to contribute multiple times to strawpolls if you're really keen, and getting people to leave an opinion on everything is a bit much to ask. There's also the fact such a thread would get buried, courtesy of nobody posting lists, so the OP would need to do a regular update post.
I'm thinking I'd be happy to do the strawpoll version of things, we'll find out if there turns out to be a link limit.
It really feels like it should be a separate thread for returning animals, given they all eventually will come back based on JWE2, and there's the fact people are after remodels, which seem logically more likely the later we get them, which is going to influence that decision.
Strawpolls for every animal with the options "Needs a Remodel", "Remodel preferred" & "Perfectly fine" is probably the easiest way to tackle remodels. They don't seem to expire either, I've got strawpolls from 4 years ago that you can still contribute to, like this one. https://strawpoll.com/5hzddb13
You could also go for strawpolls on rating the value of returning species into "Essential for base game" & "Can return in DLC".
The problem with strawpolls is accuracy, they do claim to check IP address, and prevent VPN users from voting, but I would think it's not that hard to contribute multiple times to strawpolls if you're really keen, and getting people to leave an opinion on everything is a bit much to ask. There's also the fact such a thread would get buried, courtesy of nobody posting lists, so the OP would need to do a regular update post.
I'm thinking I'd be happy to do the strawpoll version of things, we'll find out if there turns out to be a link limit.
If I didn't misunderstood your reply, I thing we agree on the issue?
To be clear im not in favour of removing generic votes but maybe I misunderstood your reply
Neither am I, so we do agree
I had thought about something last night but thought I’d discuss it with y’all first
If aviaries were to be added for PZ2, how many birds should be added? I have an idea about aviaries almost like the ones from JWE2 and small aviaries the size of WTE for small birds. With enough to sell PZ2s new feature but also to keep enough spectate as selling point for dlc. Example I think a bald eagle would be a headliner, a steller sea eagle as apart of a dlc.
If aviaries were to be added for PZ2, how many birds should be added? I have an idea about aviaries almost like the ones from JWE2 and small aviaries the size of WTE for small birds. With enough to sell PZ2s new feature but also to keep enough spectate as selling point for dlc. Example I think a bald eagle would be a headliner, a steller sea eagle as apart of a dlc.
Ideally around 30, but I'm expecting about 10 at most
Other than the below animals, are there any others that people might be fussed about to choose specific subspecies or breeds over others within the same species?
Chicken breed
Donkey breed
Horse breed
Cattle breed
Sheep breed
Goat breed
Pig breed
Rabbit breed
Wolf
Tiger
Leopard
Lion
Mountain lion
Brown bear
Takin
Giraffe
Plains zebra
Asiatic wild ass
African buffalo
Bighorn sheep
Asian elephant
Moose
Chicken breed
Donkey breed
Horse breed
Cattle breed
Sheep breed
Goat breed
Pig breed
Rabbit breed
Wolf
Tiger
Leopard
Lion
Mountain lion
Brown bear
Takin
Giraffe
Plains zebra
Asiatic wild ass
African buffalo
Bighorn sheep
Asian elephant
Moose
Maybe the Asian black bear? Though, in that case it was mostly that people thought it should be generic rather than specified, but IIRC the Formosan bear was a weirdly niche choice compared to the Himalayan black bear (though as far as I know Asian black bears aren't super common in zoos anyway).
I might add domestic duck, goose, and turkey to that as well. But otherwise that was my thoughts as well.