DLC 19 Speculation

Javan and Sumatran rhinos are definitely going extcint this century. Sumatran rhino case is arguably better due to better understandig of species, but for javan all it takes is single one disaster in national park.
Javan for sure, this may be a hot take, but I think it would be more logical once the species get's so low in numbers we bring it into captivity and breed them and release, sorta condor and mexican wolf style
 
Javan for sure, this may be a hot take, but I think it would be more logical once the species get's so low in numbers we bring it into captivity and breed them and release, sorta condor and mexican wolf style
I agree but I'm afraid it is not as easy as it seems. Especially for those two special rhino species which seem to be more sensitive than the others. The more or less failed breeding program in zoos for the Sumatran rhino kind of proof this.
Even the capture could be very problematic and could already extirpate the species.
Very difficult topic.
 
What is Australia’s policy?

I keep hearing about it but there’s already an abundance of oceanic wildlife internationally
For Australia, there are a number of different factors hindering the export of its native animals to other countries, but the biggest ones would probably be these:
1) Strict laws relating both to animal exports and protection of native wildlife makes the whole process of getting clearance to ship animals to other countries a headache, especially for animals which don't have much of a history in being exported.
2) Given Australia is so far from places like Europe and North America, there are welfare concerns with exporting many animals. For example, platypus are famously difficult to transport thanks to being easily stressed and requiring large amounts of live food.
3) For many native animals there is little to no benefit to establishing captive breeding populations in international zoos, so their conservation benefits come from their role as ambassador animals only. Tasmanian devils are probably one of the best examples of this, given only post-reproductive devils were exported for a long time, but recently breeding devils have been sent to Europe.
4) Native wildlife is a big tourism draw, and with tourism being a major part of Australia's economy, there is some reluctance for some particularly iconic species to have a large presence in international zoos. This most strongly relates to koalas and platypus I think, though of course both are kept internationally now (in reasonable numbers in the case of koalas).

In regards to the platypus at San Diego Safari Park, they aren't on loan and San Diego doesn't have to pay an annual fee to keep them in the country or anything like that, but they were originally part of a deal between Taronga and San Diego to exchange platypus for okapi (which Australia doesn't have). Unfortunately Taronga's side of the bargain has yet to be fulfilled and Australia remains okapiless (apparently not thanks to import laws for once, it's got to do with okapi population management by the AZA).
 
I also find it interesting that there are so few Australian marsupials and monotremes in New Zealand zoos. Only Tassie devils, eastern grey kangaroos, red-necked, parma, tamar and swamp wallaby, and the invasive brush-tailed possums.

No wombats (although definitely held by Auckland in the past), no tree kangaroos, no koalas, no echidnas.

In particular I wonder if koalas are not kept as a policy/point of difference to Australia.
 
For Australia, there are a number of different factors hindering the export of its native animals to other countries, but the biggest ones would probably be these:
1) Strict laws relating both to animal exports and protection of native wildlife makes the whole process of getting clearance to ship animals to other countries a headache, especially for animals which don't have much of a history in being exported.
2) Given Australia is so far from places like Europe and North America, there are welfare concerns with exporting many animals. For example, platypus are famously difficult to transport thanks to being easily stressed and requiring large amounts of live food.
3) For many native animals there is little to no benefit to establishing captive breeding populations in international zoos, so their conservation benefits come from their role as ambassador animals only. Tasmanian devils are probably one of the best examples of this, given only post-reproductive devils were exported for a long time, but recently breeding devils have been sent to Europe.
4) Native wildlife is a big tourism draw, and with tourism being a major part of Australia's economy, there is some reluctance for some particularly iconic species to have a large presence in international zoos. This most strongly relates to koalas and platypus I think, though of course both are kept internationally now (in reasonable numbers in the case of koalas).

In regards to the platypus at San Diego Safari Park, they aren't on loan and San Diego doesn't have to pay an annual fee to keep them in the country or anything like that, but they were originally part of a deal between Taronga and San Diego to exchange platypus for okapi (which Australia doesn't have). Unfortunately Taronga's side of the bargain has yet to be fulfilled and Australia remains okapiless (apparently not thanks to import laws for once, it's got to do with okapi population management by the AZA).
Are most of the koalas/ other international Australian wildlife originally from imports many years in the past before the laws got stricter?
 
Had a wild dream last night that the next pack was kind of paradise or tropical themed and had a crazy mishmash of animals.

Coati
A spider monkey (I think it was a less conventional pick)
Bull shark
Green Sea Turtle
Pelican
I can’t remember the rest…
And I think there was either an exhibit fish or cobra or something and there was a lot of new tropical American plants

but I remember it being funny how like it was I guess leaked or shadow dropped or something cause people were like not really trying to talk about it. There were a couple posts on the forum but not much and there were a couple YouTube videos dropped but from smaller creators kind of “leaking and exposing” the pack idk it was a weird dream and I was hoping it was real 😂😂. I remember in the dreams the creators were going over how the sharks work and they had a unique like feeding mechanic where they could eat sharks that had passed away in the exhibit (basically cannibalism) and they had new food enrichment shaped like Dead Sea creatures. Also you could swim with them like zoo tycoon 2
 
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idk it was a weird dream and I was hoping it was real 😂😂.
Last night I dreamt that I was eating a bowl of cornflakes in my kitchen and a deer came up to me... to get some I guess? Don't remember anything else but I sure would share some of my food if it were to happen for real 😂 Maybe we'll have another species of deer in the next pack? Who knows.
 
Honestly the more zoos will participate to programs like the one Pairi Daza and Beauval seemingly fund, the better it is for animals.
Let's not forget that some species were saved this way.

The Panda topic might be controversial. But I've lived in China, went to some Shanghai wildlife parks but also to the Panda reproduction center in Chengdu (where all the pandas we have in zoo outside China originate and offsprings come back to). Zoos in Shanghai are quite ugly and bad, but the Panda Center (if you are not bothered by the Disneyland aspect) presents really nice conditions. And it's not the only Panda center around there. The tickets there were not so expensive, so I doubt this program can be funded just by the visitors, so at least part of the loans or public money needs to be invested in it. These projects basically made the Panda less endangered.

No matter if I like or not the reasons this project exists (diplomacy, communication, and so on) I can only appreciate the results. And I'd wish more species could have the same luck and fate than the panda and less like the Slender-billed curlew which is now gone.
Zoos (and zoo games) are for casual people the only way to be in contact with endangered species. Even myself despite being an animal nerd, I've been in contact with a local wild critical endangered species just once in my life.

Considering this I have fallen for the idea of the endangered pack for the next dlc (here just critically endangered species, not caring for their zoo representation):
Yellow-tailed wolly monkey
Giant muntjac
Golden-mantled tree-kangaroo
European Hamster
Brazilian merganser
Attenborough's long-beaked echidna
Cuban crocodile

And for the exhibit add any amphibian you would like
 
Almost certainly nothing...they'll pull a few numbers from game data files/databases to give a yearly roundup. "X number" of zoos created, animals released and the sort.

I'm not expecting new content until March at the very earliest and probably not until April.
 
Can't believe it's that time of the month again!

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