Coupla Exobiology Questions

Clicker

Clicker
1) New to Exobiology. Had about $70m of scans waiting to be cashed up and landed on a planet to scan some stuff. Ship got blown up by a random NPC whilst in the SRV. Nothing in cargo etc.
My question is, can I go back and rescan the last planet or two I was at , or will thos species register as "already scanned"?
I could just go and find out, but it's late here and I'm off to bed (in disgust...shoulda dismissed ship).

2) Which area should I be looking to land in when approaching a planet looking for specific species? They say "teal", right? Which of the colours in the attached image is "teal".
The area my ship is pointing at or the lighter colour blue, like impact crater edges?

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Ashnak

Ashnak
1) never happened to me, there are no NPCs where I scout for bios :) . Also, I usually don't step far away from the ship. You get a better view from 20 meters up.

2) Is difficult. There are two opinions on the forums on this (probably triggered by early statements from FD and the fact that the blue sea is called a "heatmap"). One states that the differences in the blue colour indicate different likelihoods for that specific bio to be present, the other states that those colour differences are simply the underlying terrain shining through. I adhere to the latter. So, in this case, you have a chace of finding your bio anywhere in the blue area. But, with a bit of experience, you'll notice that within those areas the bios prefere specific habitats. Bacteria like smooth flats, some fungoids seem to prefer narrow ridges or valleys. DBX is a good choice, as it can land nearly everywhere. Other ships with a similar footprint don't have the view, other ships with a similar view have a larger footprint. If I'm lucky, I don't even have to step out of the blue circle.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
The teal thing is a blue herring. Read up on the preferred habitat like Ashnak said and head for any blue part with the right terrain for the plant you want to scan.

Also, for exobio, best to get out of the bubble anyway and find worlds where nobody has landed (no first footfall) for that sweet sweet bonus. No NPCs to worry about then.
 

Felix DiCestria

Felix DiCestria
If your ship comes under attack you can dismiss it.
Yes you can resample the biology.
With some types eg; Tussock & Frutexa, their range can overlap and this the differing shades in these areas can tell you which you will find. As such I tend to land on the boundary of a shade change so I can sample both from a single landing zone.
 

Fcsuper

Fcsuper
Agony_Aunt said:
The teal thing is a blue herring. Read up on the preferred habitat like Ashnak said and head for any blue part with the right terrain for the plant you want to scan.

Also, for exobio, best to get out of the bubble anyway and find worlds where nobody has landed (no first footfall) for that sweet sweet bonus. No NPCs to worry about then.
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I recently tested this "first footfall" rule. I found an unscanned lifeform on a planet that had already been footfalled, but the CMDR didn't scan the lifeform. I got the 4x bonus for scanning the lifeform without having the first footfall on the planet because I was first to scan the lifeform.
 

Fcsuper

Fcsuper
Koma Pahu said:
It’s not a difference of opinion. The multi-coloured “heat map” of the alpha was removed as it was causing confusion, it wasn’t actually a heat map at all*. The replacement was all uniform blue, but being transparent the terrain does show through.

*there was some debate about if it was originally a heat map or not. Personally it seemed to work as one, but I’ve been reassured that FDev stated it never was by people who remember better than I.
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Teal isn't transparent. It is the most likely place to find the lifeform you are targeting. You are correct that this isn't a matter of opinion. Go to any planet with bio. If you see teal, it won't be transparent to the terrain under it. You will be VERY likely to find the lifeform you seek in that area. You are less likely to find it outside that area in the regular blue areas, but you still can find it quickly enough as long as you do aim for the right type of terrain in the blue areas.
 

Fcsuper

Fcsuper
Nowski said:
If you survive your ship being blown up (OP says they were in the SRV at the time) will you still lose exobiology data? I would have assumed you can still hand it in, but don't really know.
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I haven't confirmed this, but the rule I've seen stated is that Universal Cartography data is stored on the ship and exobiology data is stored on your suit. Your ship blows up but you survive, you lose planet scans, but keep your exobiology scans. You died on foot and return to your ship, you lose the exobiology data, but you haven't lost the planetary scan data. However, I've not been in a situation to specifically test this myself.
 

Fixitman

F
Your exo data should still be intact. Find the easiest biological you can just to be sure. If it's already scanned, you don't have to check the rest.

Finding biologicals is much like most everything else in ED. There is no best way for all players. Find a way that works best for you.
 

aRJay

aRJay
1: I don’t know as I haven’t been close enough to where I scanned something to want to try it out.

2: I had the plug-in for the EDHM-UI that let you change the blue blobs colours and show the ‘teal’ region on its own, Iwas unconvinced that it helped.
In your image at the top in the non blue area there is an isolated strip of blue, I would head for that as I find smaller areas easier to search.
Getting a feel for the terrain a bio favours works best but remember nature is perverse so not everything follows the rules we make up especially in different regions of the galaxy.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Fcsuper said:
I recently tested this "first footfall" rule. I found an unscanned lifeform on a planet that had already been footfalled, but the CMDR didn't scan the lifeform. I got the 4x bonus for scanning the lifeform without having the first footfall on the planet because I was first to scan the lifeform.
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Yeah, its more a guide than a hard and fast rule. If someone has first footfall there is a chance they scanned the life there, but if no first footfall then you know nothing has been scanned.
 

Fcsuper

Fcsuper
Koma Pahu said:
How can you see the terrain through it then?
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You don't need to see the terrain under teal because you know this area WILL have the lifeform you've targeted. The terrain is only useful as a hint when under regular blue areas (where teal is not present). Terrain under blue is useful for planets that do not have teal, or when you have "All" selected in your DSS view.
 

Clicker

Clicker
Nowski said:
If you survive your ship being blown up (OP says they were in the SRV at the time) will you still lose exobiology data? I would have assumed you can still hand it in, but don't really know.
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Yeah, I survived as I was in SRV.
It happened so fast, I could not dismiss the ship.

But...how do you hand the scans in with no ship?
I self destructed the SRV to regenerate the ship etc.
My guess would be that besides the scanned value being lost, I'll probably find I can't go back and rescan.

I'll give it a go today and report back either way.

Cheers.
 

Fcsuper

Fcsuper
Clicker said:
Yeah, I survived as I was in SRV.
It happened so fast, I could not dismiss the ship.

But...how do you hand the scans in with no ship?
I self destructed the SRV to regenerate the ship etc.
My guess would be that besides the scanned value being lost, I'll probably find I can't go back and rescan.

I'll give it a go today and report back either way.

Cheers.
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Are you outside the bubble. I wonder if a rescue can be mounted by someone with a carrier or long range ship. They could pick you up as a team member and bring you to the nearest station. You can hand in your data, then goto the shipwright and tell them you've lost your ship. Then you will technically be killed but inside your insurance paid-for ship and after you handed in your data
 

varonica

varonica
Fcsuper said:
Teal isn't transparent. It is the most likely place to find the lifeform you are targeting. You are correct that this isn't a matter of opinion. Go to any planet with bio. If you see teal, it won't be transparent to the terrain under it. You will be VERY likely to find the lifeform you seek in that area. You are less likely to find it outside that area in the regular blue areas, but you still can find it quickly enough as long as you do aim for the right type of terrain in the blue areas.
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FDEV have confirmed in statements in print that this is incorrect, that is direct from FDEV, you can't then decide that your opinion is correct and the makers of the software are wrong, you are just misleading new players, any change in colour showing through the blue is the terrain below and that's all it is.
 

varonica

varonica
ebojann said:
You can work out a set of rules pretty quickly.
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Yeah there are rules to the bio, sometimes particular bio will only appear in mountain ranges, like some fungi, and the mountains will never show a flat teal colour, some bio will only appear on flattish terrain, like Bacteria, Tubus etc, so will often be in large flat teal coloured areas. In all cases, if you have landed in a blue area and search for ten minutes and find nothing at all, look around for a different terrain type, so if for instance you are on a flat sandy plain and can't find a particular type of Frutexa, it may be that the particular type you are looking for can only be found on the scattered rocky outcrops in the distance.
 

madmongoose

M
varonica said:
Yeah there are rules to the bio, sometimes particular bio will only appear in mountain ranges, like some fungi, and the mountains will never show a flat teal colour, some bio will only appear on flattish terrain, like Bacteria, Tubus etc, so will often be in large flat teal coloured areas. In all cases, if you have landed in a blue area and search for ten minutes and find nothing at all, look around for a different terrain type, so if for instance you are on a flat sandy plain and can't find a particular type of Frutexa, it may be that the particular type you are looking for can only be found on the scattered rocky outcrops in the distance.
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To add to this, I notice some types of plants tend to conflict with each other. For example, tussock will often suppress frutexa from spawning. So if you're struggling to find frutexa despite it being in a blue area try to find a patch of blue without conflict aka tussock cannot spawn but frutexa can
 
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