FD has clearly stated several times that they're not rolling anything back. Though I expect exceptions in cases where systems were built using exploits.
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FD has clearly stated several times that they're not rolling anything back. Though I expect exceptions in cases where systems were built using exploits.
Sad thing, but when FD decide this way. But that is they decision, my opinion stays it is a mistake, but time will tell 
Yes, I've read that many times. No, it says nothing about owning the system.
It's literally right there in the front. First paragraph.
"the power to claim and expand your very own Star Systems in your hands"
This phrasing denotes that you have the ownership. It was emphasized by the order of the wording and the use of 'very'.
What it does not say is:
"the power to own a claim to expand Star Systems"
This phrasing denotes that you do not have the ownership.
Then there is this later on in the page.
Once again denotes ownership by stating "your first station" and "your new station".
What it does not state is it saying "constructing your faction's station". Which would indicate that it is not your's or your squadron's.
There's this that's pretty much self-explanatory.
No other way to explain "YOUR NEW EMPIRE" in bold letters followed by "your first station" again.
I sound like a broken record now...
"Your system " again... I won't get into advertising the 'home base' thing that we have not gotten in the update because no station we built is treated like 'our base'. Just like every other one. But that's for a different discussion.
The word 'you' happens 45 times, 26 of them 'your', twice with 'own' after them.
Faction shows up 2 times in one short paragraph. No sight of 'own' with them.
On a different page. The System Colonization Guide
Once again states "your own new colony" and no mention of factions.
This is why people are saying that they own the systems. It was unclear from the very start. Read the notes and guide. Both telling us that we own the system and not the other way around. So yes @Jmanis. It actually did state on the website in very certain terms that we are the owners. In not one of the images you shared did it say the faction we bought the claim from is the owner. Just the controling faction.
Now if FDev came in here and said that we don't own it. Which I don't remember if they did or not. Then they need to reword their entire website and promotions about it.
Sources:
https://www.elitedangerous.com/update-notes/4-1-0-0
https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/system-colonisation-guide
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All these arguments rely on cherry picking terms out of context, bluntly.
From an Air BNB listing:
Quick! Get in touch with them and tell them you now own their bathroom and bedroom, because it says "your own" in there, right?
Context matters, and nothing about the sentence "claim and expand your very own system" implies you own the system.
Rather, "your own" in both these contexts implies exclusivity, not ownership. So you, exclusively, can claim and expand a system.... and that claim as per the literal codex entry, is for the role of system architect, who guides the development of that system.
For someone claiming semantics matter, you sure are ignoring a lot of them.
But none of this marketing schlock on that page matters. The game has always dissociated commanders from the factions and their activities. This is no different.
By all means, keep cherry picking words to your liking. The full context matters, and there is no mention of ownership of the system or assets.
I'd happily concede that it doesn't imply you don't own it either... my position is rather "it's ambiguous" and, in a world where we can control ships by telepresence but not have verbal discussions to resolve missions with a contact, it's just FD "making stuff up in a way that meets their design"... and if that means people behave like you don't own the system... guess what? You probably don't own the system in FD's eyes.
Edit: also, the faction we support has around 8 colonization efforts where they're either the 3rd faction, or the primary faction, where i have absolutely no idea who did them. Guess i own them right? Unless of course, we don't own the factions.
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After the construction of the main port I decided to build an orbital station. I clicked on a free slot in the system, selected the type of station, but the colonization ship did not arrive. no beacon launch point also did not appear (I don't know if it should appear?). As a result, the system map shows that I have one object under construction, an empty slot in the selected location is gone, but I don't understand where I should bring construction materials now )
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I think this Trailblazer is a total waste of time and only good to bring some new players in for maybe a week or some months than they realize that this game is not for them (grind, empty) It will be full non important systems and station
What do you want to change to make it worth your time? Most systems will never be colonized so an outpost is better than uninhabited.
Fdev said no reset. The beta is like a soft-launch.
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What is the definition of a garbage station?I think this Trailblazer is a total waste of time and only good to bring some new players in for maybe a week or some months than they realize that this game is not for them (grind, empty) It will be full non important systems and station
At the moment, f. e. I have a station without any further constructions simply because I want to understand which building has which effect (here the lack of information from Frontier is immense), before try-and-error-building, therefore it's too much boring grind and if you placed the "wrong" construction, there ist no way back.
And even if they would reset everything, it would start right away like it did now and a few thousand systems would be claimed and not every system will be built "well".
And because they promised not to reset, a lot of players would be upset because they invested a lot of time because of this promise that it's not being reset.
Doing that for "not properly" built systems, which would sure appear after a reset again, wouldn't be anything to explain.
The colonization ship and beacon only appear for your first spaceport. An Orbital Construction Site is supposed to appear in your case but I'm guessing it's delayed. Check again after system maintenance is over
One of the systems I colonized was empty, no planets, just some binary M stars. I build a small Hi-tech outpost over there. It has loads of commodities, mostly Hi-Tech, some of them I actually used for the other systems I colonized.
So there is no such thing as garbage station.
Of course, if you develop just a bigger star port, like Tier 2 or Tier 3, and then the rest of the system is left empty, the list of sold commodities will be very short, and probably the shipyard won't work. Everything else, like missions, refueling, rearming, contacts, they all work - and that is not garbage.
By the way, what exactly needed to be done to have a functioning shipyard in my new tier 2 starport?
And also, can we develop a system so much that it will have Fleet Carrier Services?
So there is no such thing as garbage station.
Of course, if you develop just a bigger star port, like Tier 2 or Tier 3, and then the rest of the system is left empty, the list of sold commodities will be very short, and probably the shipyard won't work. Everything else, like missions, refueling, rearming, contacts, they all work - and that is not garbage.
By the way, what exactly needed to be done to have a functioning shipyard in my new tier 2 starport?
And also, can we develop a system so much that it will have Fleet Carrier Services?
It shouldn't matter. But people use these things as weasel words to try and turn ED into Stellaris or EVE Online, but from Temu.
I had the same problem. Switching the game to english version "fixed" issue.After the construction of the main port I decided to build an orbital station. I clicked on a free slot in the system, selected the type of station, but the colonization ship did not arrive. no beacon launch point also did not appear (I don't know if it should appear?). As a result, the system map shows that I have one object under construction, an empty slot in the selected location is gone, but I don't understand where I should bring construction materials now
I logged on the day of launch, about an hour after the hampsters woke up, to see if I could find a system I wanted to put on the map. After some wandering I parked in a station and queried the colonisation contact. However, I had the presence of mind (because of time commitments for the day job) to go out of the game to research detailed build requirements before I claimed. I decided that I could not afford the time.
Some time later, someone else had claimed it, and good luck to them I think it was a nice system - a couple of metal planetoids, some other non-significant, plus and a couple of gas giants, one with rings - the kind of mix that made sense from an economic point of view, as I didn't see any point in claiming a system with just a star (with the exception of the oft-discussed Colonia bridge, perhaps.)
Most posts seem about these two things specifically. Material requirements after excitedly claiming a system and choosing the large spaceport as a first build rather than a ground based installation, and those not getting the system they wanted because they couldn't get in "early enough" to claim one.
With a build pause though, I have had time to read and work out that I can (just about) be a system founder. However, that is having spent a lot of time to gain a better understanding of the process and time involved, especially the distances I will have to haul materials - with thanks to all the commanders that posted those kind of details of their pain with CMM composites etc, which was a good one for FDev to resolve.
With regards to claiming, I accepted that the moment had passed, but understand the bubble expands after every tick, and new systems will become reachable. Yes, I chose to spend time exploring and have half a dozen areas to check on, after the rollover. Some of them are a lot better than my original choice. In addition, I have helped some systems complete - where it would help bubble expansion into, or towards, a new productive area.
In retrospect, I'm glad I decided not to go early. As with every new, "complex" feature, especially when time pressure is a factor, the game could use a tutorial. Also, before claiming, build requirements including a time estimate, and a very clear banner, before confirming a claim (one of the odd occasions when you want to make people click twice) "You only have four weeks to complete the first installation. Please choose your first installation carefully, based on the game time you (or your squadron) have available."
Information, and being spelled out in those terms, may have helped a number of systems struggling-with-coriolis.
Some time later, someone else had claimed it, and good luck to them
I think it was a nice system - a couple of metal planetoids, some other non-significant, plus and a couple of gas giants, one with rings - the kind of mix that made sense from an economic point of view, as I didn't see any point in claiming a system with just a star (with the exception of the oft-discussed Colonia bridge, perhaps.)Most posts seem about these two things specifically. Material requirements after excitedly claiming a system and choosing the large spaceport as a first build rather than a ground based installation, and those not getting the system they wanted because they couldn't get in "early enough" to claim one.
With a build pause though, I have had time to read and work out that I can (just about) be a system founder. However, that is having spent a lot of time to gain a better understanding of the process and time involved, especially the distances I will have to haul materials - with thanks to all the commanders that posted those kind of details of their pain with CMM composites etc, which was a good one for FDev to resolve.
With regards to claiming, I accepted that the moment had passed, but understand the bubble expands after every tick, and new systems will become reachable. Yes, I chose to spend time exploring and have half a dozen areas to check on, after the rollover. Some of them are a lot better than my original choice. In addition, I have helped some systems complete - where it would help bubble expansion into, or towards, a new productive area.
In retrospect, I'm glad I decided not to go early. As with every new, "complex" feature, especially when time pressure is a factor, the game could use a tutorial. Also, before claiming, build requirements including a time estimate, and a very clear banner, before confirming a claim (one of the odd occasions when you want to make people click twice) "You only have four weeks to complete the first installation. Please choose your first installation carefully, based on the game time you (or your squadron) have available."
Information, and being spelled out in those terms, may have helped a number of systems struggling-with-coriolis.
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Hitting Frontier's wall of ambiguity and inconsistency must be a pretty brutal experience for the uninitiated player.
Heck, the telepresence one gets me every time I think about it again.
One question, can we destroy other players stations when not what is the point in this hahahahah, NUKE them ALL
when not what is the point in this hahahahah, NUKE them ALL I think that 1 jump less than an engineered fully laden Type 9 can go on one fuel tank would be a reasonable way to set the maximum distance. I think that would be about 80LY. I don't know, I do all my heavy lifting with a cutter. You could make an argument for a half tank range, so that you can get back after dropping your load. I haven't started yet, all the good ones will be gone by the time I begin. I wonder if these colonies will be like fleet carriers, littering the place up everywhere with little shanty town colonies that ran out of funds as the magnitude of the work involved finally overwhelmed the enthusiasm of the commander
Well I guess I have to correct myself here. From another discussion I've learned that the data feeds are showing over 30,000 systems colonized (with several thousand more pending primary port construction). So the "8,000 systems" number was if anything an underestimate!
That's probably a bit faster than the devs planned on the land rush going. I wonder how much more difficult they'll make it when they turn it back on.
Same here, I have one build spot between the star and an asteroid belt, went to put a coriolis there but instead the game added an extra slot beneath the asteroid belt which wasn't there previously.
Has anyone managed to place anything between the star and an asteroid belt ?
There would need to be internal trade routes since you may not always be able to build everything on one planet ( many may only allow for one settlement), but I think with the diversity in types of planetary and orbital you have the ability to generate what you need. So you could build an extraction and refinery on planet and a manufacturing orbital on that planet, OR an extraction on planet, a refinery orbital and a manufacturing on another orbital? This is all speculation of course until enough people have correlated the data. TBH I doubt FDev knows how it works in practice, because if they did we would have not had commodity deserts as they would have optimized the bubble before colonization release. Instead they are just buffing production of what is already there. I assume the system as an aggregate determines production levels overall and there is a soft cap when the "meter" caps out it's arrows for any giving category like security or population
Thank you, I will try that.
It's important that this is fixed because the installations are the black boxes of code that determine the system characteristics
8000 might have been 'claimed and then successfully finished' with the first station completed, as they also said 13,000 structures had been completed.
It probably wasn't the number of claims, not with over 13k peak players on steam (which probably means 4-5x that in total throughout the day) which in itself is probably only 1/3 the actual players who logged in to grab a system.
To slow it down they only have to disable the colony contact on new stations until the following thursday.
I agree its not a good idea.
I think instead it would be better to allow a discount on the next system you claim if you help someone else build their stations. This could be a reduction in claim fee and resources needed to build the claim station and indeed all stations in that system. That way it would encourage cooperation between architects and speed up helpful people's system colonization efforts.