Elite Dangerous | System Colonisation Beta Details & Feedback

[Ksander]

Sure, but how many of them do you need? A single T1 industrial outpost can supply the entire industrial product needs for multiple simultaneous colonisation projects, or provide plenty of exports to import into stations you want to improve the BGS states of.

If you do want to build an industrial market, it's great - stick it on an ice world and get an instant boost to industrial production and consumption.

If you want to build any other sort of market, it's terrible - previously you could stick down a Colony port, add a few matching influence buildings, and get the economy you wanted. Now if you do that, the icy industrial influence will mean that anything your port produces that's consumed by Industrial (which is most exports of most other economies, apart from Extraction) is likely to get internally consumed by the Industrial component before it gets as far as the public market.



In many respects, it's a good way of doing things:
- it makes the planets available in a system matter for more than just their slot count - now you have to consider what sort of economies the system will actually support and build accordingly, while making "one stop shop" systems capable of producing everything a lot more difficult to find.
- it makes non-landable planets a lot more useful
- it reduces the number of constructions needed to get certain types of economic output

The catch, of course, is that it will break the economic production of a very substantial number of existing stations.

Now, of course, every player accepts that this is Beta, things might change, it's not worth committing time to systems at this stage if the end result matters. But it's still a pretty big change to throw in without advance notice (or, so far, retrospective notice) after a month and give everyone "bug or feature?" questions.

and what is the release test then, in the delivery of goods and display of images?

 

[PilotB]

There is no undo button. This is not a beta it is on the live servers. There will be no reset of progress done.
If you brick your system its forever. There are limited slots on bodies and around them.

It's on the live servers. It is a Beta and they very very clearly told us all that it was a public test period on the live server. So yes it can get bricked and yes it's there forever but you should have known going in that it's not done and subject to change.

 

[Ksander]

It's on the live servers. It is a Beta and they very very clearly told us all that it was a public test period on the live server. So yes it can get bricked and yes it's there forever but you should have known going in that it's not done and subject to change.

then I'm right, these are alpha, testing cards, and the logic is still in production

 

[PilotB]

then I'm right, these are alpha, testing cards, and the logic is still in production

No it's supposed to be Beta testing. See the first post in the thread where they call it beta not alpha. It's further along than you're thinking in their prod chain

 

[Ksander]

No it's supposed to be Beta testing. See the first post in the thread where they call it beta not alpha. It's further along than you're thinking in their prod chain

if the pictures depend on the language and are still not subject to logic - then it is alpha

 

[PilotB]

if capriccios are dependent on language and are still not subject to logic - then this is alpha

it is in their own words feature complete. You can call it alpha if it makes you feel better but I would not be expecting any drastic changes in direction that you might get from an alpha test. I would accept that you're likely to get some bug fixes and what you see is what you get.

 

[Ksander]

it is in their own words feature complete. You can call it alpha if it makes you feel better but I would not be expecting any drastic changes in direction that you might get from an alpha test. I would accept that you're likely to get some bug fixes and what you see is what you get.

thank you, that's a small consolation

 

[OtshelnikO]

Problem with slot "0" and add slot "1" - more and more new slots.

Initially, I had a slot for the primary port and slot 1 on the 9th planet Scorpii Sector HR-W c1-18. After building the primary station (Industrial Outpost) on the 9th planet, a mining installation was built in slot 1 and a free slot "0" appeared. Today I decided to build another installation in it and was surprised. The orbital structure for construction shifted to slot 1 and slot "0" is free again. Also, not 4 slots are available for construction in the system, but 5! The primary station and installation on the 9th planet do not work. The market on the industrial station is empty - it does not sell or buy anything. And this has been going on since February 26. The "Support Service" was informed about this bug on March 15, to which the answer was received - "we are investigating" ... There were no more clear answers. There is no fix for this bug either.

https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/74398

 

[Greasetrap42]

Re-balancing colony economic stuff is great, but I would think Frontier would be a little bit more proactive in fixing basic issues with facility placement. Having overlapping stations in the the architect design view, and in the actual completed form is really not good. It is very obvious, easily reproduced, and significantly bad.

It is a bit unnerving to have an orbital science station swooping through the Coriolis Lounge.

 

[mkizub]

Re-balancing colony economic stuff is great, but I would think Frontier would be a little bit more proactive in fixing basic issues with facility placement. Having overlapping stations in the the architect design view, and in the actual completed form is really not good. It is very obvious, easily reproduced, and significantly bad.

Solution is simple - ability to move already constructed station to a new orbite/slot. It solves both the problem with (already) incorrectly placed stations and the problem with useless stations. It' easy to implement - just a record change in database during weekly maintenance server shutdown. It's a bad practice to fix isolated bugs, one by one, ignoring others problems. It leads to a situation when one fixed bug causes a few others to appear.

 

[Greasetrap42]

Solution is simple - ability to move already constructed station to a new orbite/slot. It solves both the problem with (already) incorrectly placed stations and the problem with useless stations. It' easy to implement - just a record change in database during weekly maintenance server shutdown. It's a bad practice to fix isolated bugs, one by one, ignoring others problems. It leads to a situation when one fixed bug causes a few others to appear.

The issue is multiple slots are sharing a location. These stations were placed in different slots. It is a bug in the architect UI which evidently carries over into the actual placement of the competed facility. Simply moving the facility to a different slot does not resolve the issue. At best all it does is render slots around an asteroid field & sun useless.

Edit.
Unbalanced economies should certainly be fixed. But fundamental issues with the basic functioning of a feature I would expect to take priority. The placement of facilities is fundamentally broken. Also, I would hope Frontier can work on more than one thing at a time.

 

[aRJay]

there weren't enough goods, pictures had problems, careers weren't fixed, logic didn't work - is this definitely not alpha?

Yes definitely not Alpha, might not be as finished a Beta as some where hoping for but it is still a Beta.

 

[Frankymole]

Re-balancing colony economic stuff is great, but I would think Frontier would be a little bit more proactive in fixing basic issues with facility placement. Having overlapping stations in the the architect design view, and in the actual completed form is really not good. It is very obvious, easily reproduced, and significantly bad.

It is a bit unnerving to have an orbital science station swooping through the Coriolis Lounge.

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It made for a hilarious Drew Wagar stream on Twitch last night though!

The revolving mission-givers rotating through the floor and back out were a sight to see!

 

[Jack Winter]

Who cares if it's called an alpha or a beta, to me it seems a meaningless argument..

 

[Roy Revant]

Just noticed the commodities for the primary port hike up from the colonisation menu, from 45k to 70k
seriously, this haul feast already unbearable tedious boring

 

[mkizub]

The issue is multiple slots are sharing a location. These stations were placed in different slots. It is a bug in the architect UI which evidently carries over into the actual placement of the competed facility. Simply moving the facility to a different slot does not resolve the issue. At best all it does is render slots around an asteroid field & sun useless.

How do you know, that the bug in UI? I can imagine a dosen of sources that cause the problem.

 

[Greasetrap42]

How do you know, that the bug in UI? I can imagine a dosen of sources that cause the problem.

From a user's point-of-view it certainly starts off in the the User Interface. It is quite obvious I selected certain slots but the UI immediately showed my facilities in other slots, indicated in the Architect View prior to any building beginning. A screenshot of the Archetect View is attached. The User Interface does not allow me to select the slots I chose. As I mentioned the issue then carries over to the actual building of the facilities.

I don't feel like a pedantic argument in what constitutes a User Interface, as it is completely irrelevant to my above post and way off topic to this thread.

 

[Kort]

I have 2 orbital construction sites that are 100% completed but the orbital construction sites remain (and are unable to be landed on) and the outpost that were completed on these sites are not there.

 

[Ksander]

From a user's point-of-view it certainly starts off in the the User Interface. It is quite obvious I selected certain slots but the UI immediately showed my facilities in other slots, indicated in the Architect View prior to any building beginning. A screenshot of the Archetect View is attached. The User Interface does not allow me to select the slots I chose. As I mentioned the issue then carries over to the actual building of the facilities.

I don't feel like a pedantic argument in what constitutes a User Interface, as it is completely irrelevant to my above post and way off topic to this thread.

does your interface show what you have built?

 

[hutandrei]

I have 2 orbital construction sites that are 100% completed but the orbital construction sites remain (and are unable to be landed on) and the outpost that were completed on these sites are not there.

Try changing the system map from architect view to classic view, then back.