Good to see that waiting weeks for stations to come online wasn’t solved. Finished my Coriolis last Friday. Weekly tick has not activated it so that’s fun.
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Same here, but with loss of shipyard.
I don't think they consume. It's just logically, that a station cannot sell and buy the same commodity at the same time. So goods that should be selled by extraction do not appear on the market, if refinery buys them.
There is actually some indicator that the demand numbers do have an effect on station goods availability - eg my mixed refinery/extraction/industrial coriolis (specialized in refinery) has a lot of demand for polymers, liquid oxygen, insulating membrane, copper and aluminium… all of which are not available at the market. However, titanium and steel (which are also consumed by the industrial side) are still available at the station, however not at the quantities expected compared to everything else. And the station does not have any demand for it.
If it were a straight and simple black and white as you suggest… I would not have much of a market at all because all the exports and imports worth caring about cancel out. Yet they don’t completely here.
But you just confirmed what I said. The goods produced by the economy are not eaten (so you have steel and titanium), they just do not appear in sell and buy lists at the same time. Otherwice one can park his ship at that station and buy/sell goods non-stop and have profit.
It is a technicality. Previously when my station was a mixed refinery/industrial due to the accidental application of planetary influences there were just simply no refinery products at all. Now I have some, which suggests a relationship still exists between the supply and demand auto-consuming the respective commodities produced by a station.
Arguing about/discussing what happens behind the scenes just draws away from the - actually important - point that “Industrial from planets destroys refinery completely despite the hard work players put into setting up the refinery”. (As do military and high tech to some lesser extent)
They might as well just let us pick the exact commodities we want to have for sale. For the Sheldons out there: sarcasm.
Numbers need to tweaked, no player switches are needed.
It is only logical on the surface but there is no boost in production from satisfying the demand and the groupings are too broad. So what happens is you end up with useless markets unless you make single economy systems. There is no synergy to it. NPC markets just sell all the goods from all their markets. Player markets sell the tiny fraction of goods not needed by either of their markets.
Not quite true either, I’ve seen stations which claim to have a mixed industrial/refinery market but when you arrive there it’s nothing but pure industry. The issue remains with our systems anyway…
Are you 100% sure those are NPC markets. I've done the majority of my from station hauling from NPC mixed markets but from time to time they apply the same crippling logic from player colonies to NPC markets and they lose all their stuff but under normal conditions they sell everything from every market they have.
Yeah, it was an NPC market. The Coriolis port in the Puikis system (inara market link - "large industrial/refinery") shows Industrial and Refinery in the system map, but when I went there, it was just industrial goods available at the station. With a few exceptions like tritium (which is apparently produced in high enough volume to counter the industrial demand).
Important Colonization Note
Due to the massive changes in economies in player architect systems, check to see if the commodities you thought were available in the system you were going to are available. Just found out the hard way that some of the refinery commodities in this market aren't there anymore...
Orange Sidewinder since the Update !!
Likewise, I've been trying everything no matter how esoteric and nothing at all seems to help. Best you can do is beg fdev support and pray to braben.
Forgive if this has been reported before but 2 of my 4 colonized systems have reverted to their day-1 Influence distribution of 60%, 30%, 13%, and 7%. It even added the fourth, Anarchy faction back that wasn't there anymore for nearly two months. My faction still controls the systems but it shows at 13% Influence. Anyone else?
No Agrippa is right.
Let's say one reinforcement activity gave 1k merits and thus 250 CP.
Now: the same activity gives 650 merits but still gives 250 CP. So it doesn't affect players playing the strategy game but forces merit hunters to shift away from reinforcement loops.
The opposite is the case for undermining & acquisition. 1000 merits before -> 1050 merits now -> 250 CP before and after.
So the new divisors are 2.6 merits/CP in reinforcement and 4.2 merits/CP for undermining/acquisition
Hi All 
My own Coriolis Station (The only station in that system) is still 'online' but after the recent updates the stations shipyard which was active before the update now isn't (greyed out) and my ships docked there have been moved by the update to an adjacent system (not claimed by me) with a station that has a shipyard. The positive (I think) side of this is the Coriolis was producing only hydrogen and biowaste (originally designated a Colony) now produces a decent amount of useful commodity's, Platinum, Gold etc. etc. it's orbiting a HMC world which also has some logic to it as regards the present commodity's (The station is now designated as Extraction).
I kinda get the logic with the shipyard problem, but obviously I've got to find out how to get it back now. I presume one of my next builds in that system might miraculously re-instate the shipyard, but at the moment I haven't a clue as to what type of structure needs to be built next to achieve this.
Jack
I've roughly the same situation with my shipyard here...
My own Coriolis Station (The only station in that system) is still 'online' but after the recent updates the stations shipyard which was active before the update now isn't (greyed out) and my ships docked there have been moved by the update to an adjacent system (not claimed by me) with a station that has a shipyard. The positive (I think) side of this is the Coriolis was producing only hydrogen and biowaste (originally designated a Colony) now produces a decent amount of useful commodity's, Platinum, Gold etc. etc. it's orbiting a HMC world which also has some logic to it as regards the present commodity's (The station is now designated as Extraction).
I kinda get the logic with the shipyard problem, but obviously I've got to find out how to get it back now. I presume one of my next builds in that system might miraculously re-instate the shipyard, but at the moment I haven't a clue as to what type of structure needs to be built next to achieve this.
Jack
I think that much of what we are doing here is still guesswork and likely to change, but a recent video from Mechan says that shipyards need a development level of 35+ before they are available........It seems the bug was that we were given the shipyards too early because we did not meet the requirements.I presume one of my next builds in that system might miraculously re-instate the shipyard, but at the moment I haven't a clue as to what type of structure needs to be built next to achieve this.