Elite Dangerous | Trailblazers Update 3.3

[Capt. Hook]

Bit confused - has the thursday update taken place as I have not come across any changes?

I have a pirate outpost, 2 pirate installations and bar in same system (no other builds) and black market economy still suspended for some reason for ex.

 

[Brammmers]

It was clarified earlier there there is no client update being sent. Server side only.

 

[WildElf]

Wish Steam would push the update. Anyone see the issue on their end?

There is no update to push. It's all server side.

See the response on the 2nd page: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elite-dangerous-trailblazers-update-3-3.638196/post-10641742

No, this will be server side during the usual Thursday maintenance. It may involve slightly longer maintenance downtime however.

 

[CRYPTON1X]

There is no update to push. It's all server side.

See the response on the 2nd page: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elite-dangerous-trailblazers-update-3-3.638196/post-10641742

They clearly dont make any sense then. Why even have version codes that changed to 4.1.2.102 if on steam it will stay as the May 7th version 4.1.2.0 which ingame shows that number too. Hopefully it's fixed. Logging in now.

 

[cmdr remo_d]

• Criminal, Scientific, and Military Outposts plus one of the following:
  • Strong link to a Comms Installation or Relay Station
  • Tourist Installation or Bar Installation or Outpost Hub in the same system
    
    My HT outpost shouldn't have a commodity market, but it does. It orbits 2 T2 research bio settlements and has a T2 research station orbital in orbit with it. I I don't have a tourist inst., bar, or outpost hub. I have a Comms installation, but orbiting another body (weak link, if it had a link).

 

[Hanerib]

Trailblazers!

 

[Gábor Auth]

I checked some of my stations and facilities and looks like nothing happened with services. I still have market on my Tier1 port, without described strong links; my coriolises stoll have black markets without any pirate facilities; is the update rolled out? The downtime was ~50 minutes only.

 

[Paul_Crowther]

Hi folks, a mini heads up that there was an error in the Update Notes that listed "Scientific Outpost" as a method for Vista Genomics. That was incorrect and we are in the process of removing it from our Update Notes pages. Apologies for any confusion that may have caused.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

The faction you have in control of the station will very often have an overriding effect on the market regardless of services available.

I have a pirate outpost, 2 pirate installations and bar in same system (no other builds) and black market economy still suspended for some reason for ex.

Is the controlling faction of the outpost Corporation, Dictatorship, Feudal, Patronage or Prison Colony?

My HT outpost shouldn't have a commodity market, but it does. It orbits 2 T2 research bio settlements and has a T2 research station orbital in orbit with it. I I don't have a tourist inst., bar, or outpost hub. I have a Comms installation, but orbiting another body (weak link, if it had a link).

Is the controlling faction of the outpost something other than Corporation, Dictatorship, Feudal, Patronage or Prison Colony?

I checked some of my stations and facilities and looks like nothing happened with services. I still have market on my Tier1 port, without described strong links; my coriolises stoll have black markets without any pirate facilities; is the update rolled out? The downtime was ~50 minutes only.

Is the controlling faction of the stations with markets something other than Corporation, Dictatorship, Feudal, Patronage or Prison Colony?

 

[Gábor Auth]

Is the controlling faction of the stations with markets something other than Corporation, Dictatorship, Feudal, Patronage or Prison Colony?

Is it matter? So we will get black market anyway if the controlling faction is anarchy? Also, the controlling faction is Democracy/Independent.
Here is the station: https://inara.cz/elite/station/865114/

 

[cmdr remo_d]

My T1 planetary port, colony, doesn't have a shipyard or outfitting as per new rules. Looks like I will have to build a military installation if I want that. May not though, coriolis orbits it and has those.

Is the controlling faction of the outpost something other than Corporation, Dictatorship, Feudal, Patronage or Prison Colony?

Yes. It's controlled by the Anarchy faction. The HT outpost.

 

[Capt. Hook]

The faction you have in control of the station will very often have an overriding effect on the market regardless of services available.


Is the controlling faction of the outpost Corporation, Dictatorship, Feudal, Patronage or Prison Colony?


Is the controlling faction of the outpost something other than Corporation, Dictatorship, Feudal, Patronage or Prison Colony?


Is the controlling faction of the stations with markets something other than Corporation, Dictatorship, Feudal, Patronage or Prison Colony?

Hi Ian - it looks to be a corporate system for some reason.

I thought on patch notes this would not a problem?

• Black Market
  • Pirate Outpost
  • Any port plus strong link to a Pirate Installation

 

[cmdr remo_d]

Good night/morning all. I can go to sleep now - system fared for the better.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Is it matter? So we will get black market anyway if the controlling faction is anarchy? Also, the controlling faction is Democracy/Independent.

That would do it - Democracy factions generally open Black Markets at every station they control.

Yes. It's controlled by the Anarchy faction. The HT outpost.

And same here, Anarchy factions open black markets, and you can't nowadays have a black market without a commodity market so you get one of those too.

Hi Ian - it looks to be a corporate system for some reason.

I thought on patch notes this would not a problem?

So the underlying station has a black market, not that that's worth anything. But the faction in charge of the station hates black markets and closes them. This might show up in-game as the black market service being disabled rather than completely absent (or it might not, this has been a bit inconsistent for the last decade...).

It really doesn't matter what the "default" black market conditions are for the station (nice of Frontier to document them, but completely irrelevant except for curiosity) because all controlling factions will override it with their own preference for the service.

 

[Gábor Auth]

It really doesn't matter what the "default" black market conditions are for the station (nice of Frontier to document them, but completely irrelevant except for curiosity) because all controlling factions will override it with their own preference for the service.

Oh, thanks, it is a new information for me, I thought we lost black market most of our stations with this update.

 

[Untilting]

Is it a changes-may-take-24-hours-to-appear sort of update?

 

[Gábor Auth]

I checked my Tier1 Military Outpost, there is no other facility on orbit around the body; on the body there are two military settlement, and the Outpost still has market. There is no "Tourist Installation or Bar Installation or Outpost Hub in the same system". There is Comm Installation and Relay Station in the system, but far away, is it counted as Strong link?

Military Outposts plus Strong link to a Comms Installation or Relay Station

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I checked my Tier1 Military Outpost, there is no other facility on orbit around the body; on the body there are two military settlement, and the Outpost still has market. There is no "Tourist Installation or Bar Installation or Outpost Hub in the same system". There is Comm Installation and Relay Station in the system, but far away, is it counted as Strong link?

Again, if it's the same Democracy faction in charge:
- the Democracy faction will open a black market there
- the existence of the black market will open a commodity market there
- the underlying station's opinion on whether it should have a commodity market won't be checked.

"Far away" would not be a strong link.

 

[Capt. Hook]

That would do it - Democracy factions generally open Black Markets at every station they control.


And same here, Anarchy factions open black markets, and you can't nowadays have a black market without a commodity market so you get one of those too.


So the underlying station has a black market, not that that's worth anything. But the faction in charge of the station hates black markets and closes them. This might show up in-game as the black market service being disabled rather than completely absent (or it might not, this has been a bit inconsistent for the last decade...).

It really doesn't matter what the "default" black market conditions are for the station (nice of Frontier to document them, but completely irrelevant except for curiosity) because all controlling factions will override it with their own preference for the service.

Well thats disappointing. I thought I had read the patch notes properly before engaging on this little side project. Silly me but i thought the whole point of a black market was that it was dodgy so if the controlling faction does not like them then one springs up! Says the black market "suspended".

At least we have some new station skins to amuse ourselves with....

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I thought I had read the patch notes properly

Oh, you had.

But the patch notes just describe the changes to colonisation, not all the implications of how colonisation works with all the various existing in-game systems.