Current Power play what’s up

Gurney__Halleck

Gurney__Halleck
What’s going on with it all , heard muttering of blatant cheating going on and Fdev fixing it etc .

Our main power discord channel has instructed us to stay away from a list of systems and refrain from doing a few things.

If true am happy fdev doing something about it but is a shame they need to, just noticed I received no power play pay out this last tick, I mean leader boards are great to look at but if you have to cheat to be on there why cheat?
 

Oh Seven Commander

Oh Seven Commander
I would ask in the discord why/what their thoughts are. While it's possible people are cheating, it's also possible that the other guy just figured out the silver bullet and told everyone how to do it. Getting into the leaderboards on a power isn't really that hard, it just takes an enormous amount of tedium. For instance, the recent trade CGs for Nakato and Mahon - if you sold each ton 1 by 1 you got way more merits/ton than by bulk selling. So if you were willing to sit there and sell, 1 by 1, you could easily rack up hilarious merits. Cheating? I mean the game lets you do it idk why it would be. Is it worth it? Depends on how numb you want your mind numbing gameplay to be I guess.
 

Dillon Fallon

Dillon Fallon
I think there's an across the board consensus that something weird is going on. Basically it's around insanely large control point shifts in the last hours of the week. It's certainly not been done by bounties, trade or mining and suggests a data snipe as was discussed here. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/exploit-or-army-of-alts.637097/

It's likely nothing to do with leaderboards and more to do with actually competing for systems. The question is whether the large numbers that are being seen are legitimate or not. As always with these things, there's going to be more to it, but that's a TL;DR for any in depth explanation that comes along.
 

dcsignal

dcsignal
I spend 3 days solid hauling Rares to get my Colonization System to Exploited. That resulted in 400,000 Merits and possibly a spot in the Top 10, Not that I can confirm that, because the Top Ten list is broken. (Just my Luck)
 

Dillon Fallon

Dillon Fallon
dcsignal said:
I spend 3 days solid hauling Rares to get my Colonization System to Exploited. That resulted in 400,000 Merits and possibly a spot in the Top 10, Not that I can confirm that, because the Top Ten list is broken. (Just my Luck)
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That's a drop in the ocean compared to the numbers that are being talked about. Add a zero at the end and with it all happening at once across multiple systems and you're closer to it.
 

Reggit

Reggit
Dillon Fallon said:
That's a drop in the ocean compared to the numbers that are being talked about. Add a zero at the end and with it all happening at once across multiple systems and you're closer to it.
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I didn't know it was so bad - yikes!
My Power Discord has been calling for help recently (there has been some quite massive Undermining done against us)
It seemed a little sus - I suppose I'd better get back to the Bubble and do some Reinforcement 😒
 

Dillon Fallon

Dillon Fallon
Reggit said:
I didn't know it was so bad - yikes!
My Power Discord has been calling for help recently (there has been some quite massive Undermining done against us)
It seemed a little sus - I suppose I'd better get back to the Bubble and do some Reinforcement 😒
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You just have to look in the thread I linked. 850k control points (not merits) of undermining in a starter permit system, which isn't going to be straightforward to get into. The vast majority of which appeared on the final day before the tick. When you consider that current thinking is that the number of control points is a quarter of the amount of merits earned in a system, we're talking some very big numbers being pulled.

At the very least, the balance of something is way out.
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
Ozric
I am just going to politely remind people about chucking around accusations of cheating without a clear idea of what's going on. It's all 'apparentlys and maybes' at the moment. The team are looking at information provided to them, and the will act accordingly if any action is required.

In any situation like this providing information directly to support is always the best course of action, and wondering what is going on in general is only natural. But let's avoid jumping to conclusions please :)
 

Rebel Yell

Rebel Yell
The Powerplay 2.0 framework has been a complete rework of the old 1.0... as commonly happens when big reworks + new features are introduced in the game, something not working as intended can always slip under testers/developers nose. This happens also for other videogames, so I wont blame anyone for what happened for PP2, albeit I reckon I wouldn't have put the framework in the live game without having a longer and deeper beta-testing... and/or introduce it in live game with a limited number of systems where to test it.

Don't get me wrong, I like the new framework as concept, but some balance (as well as bug fixes) are needed and shouldn't be left behind.
 
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Gurney__Halleck

Gurney__Halleck
At least they’re fixing stuff and again it’s a game we all paid money for a while ago and has no subscription fee to keep servers online , hence I buy arx for cosmetics .

So can deal with the odd issue but thought this one odd.
 

Oh Seven Commander

Oh Seven Commander
Ozric said:
I am just going to politely remind people about chucking around accusations of cheating without a clear idea of what's going on. It's all 'apparentlys and maybes' at the moment. The team are looking at information provided to them, and the will act accordingly if any action is required.

In any situation like this providing information directly to support is always the best course of action, and wondering what is going on in general is only natural. But let's avoid jumping to conclusions please :)
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I wouldn't be surprised if someone figured out a "switch" they could flip, or something they could do, and that gave them an edge, and are simply leveraging it to the max, and it's completely within game bounds tbh. It wouldn't be the first time something in game that seemed out in left field gave incredible results that nobody expected.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Yes - there's certainly something weird going on because successful undermining doesn't happen in Powerplay, but that doesn't automatically imply anything exploitative.

The undermining volume is large relative to total undermining (1-2 million CP out of a weekly total of 4-6 million) but not relative to total points generation (probably a bit over 60 million CP between all three types, with almost 50 million of that being reinforcement). The "extra" undermining is still smaller than the normal weekly variation in the amount of reinforcement.
 

Gurney__Halleck

Gurney__Halleck
so,what did happen in Sol , fong wang and Alpha Centauri and a few others , something about massive amounts of undermining or reinforcement something?

Isn’t that what they wanted ?
 
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[VR] Bulbulunufus

[VR] Bulbulunufus
Gurney__Halleck said:
so,what did happen in Sol , fong wang and Alpha Centauri and a few others , something about massive amounts of undermining or reinforcement something?

Isn’t that what they wanted ?
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I think that's an open question. No-one is taking responsibility and no-one is seen in open or on bounty boards. It's a mystery but information is being passed to FDev by the "expert" PP community. People used to the nuances of control score accounting and powerplay mechanisms. I would say that info/research goes beyond speculation but nothing is conclusive and as above we've been asked to reserve judgement on what is going on. FDev have the tools to find and fix any problems imo.
 

Gurney__Halleck

Gurney__Halleck
So basically someone noticed control/undermining scores were irregular , outside the usual amount ?

Isn’t that what fdev wanted to encourage , the whole undermining thing and not a static bunch of fortified and stronghold systems just looking at each other

I’ve never gone out and intentionally undermined , it’s been the restore missions to get data and mats to sell on carrier for upkeep , I grabbed powerplay data stuff for the merit gain not the undermining effect it made when in another or my own powers system.
 
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cmdr kruzer70

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These massive dumps started before F'dev adjusted the merits for undermining vs reinforcing. Also those changes only effect merits and not the control points. It also seems that the parties responsible are taking pains to cover their tracks because these massive merit amounts haven't shown up on the leader boards so they are likely leaving their power and re-pledging.
 
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