On the original list, in addition to a few species of fish, there are also other species of manatees,orca, dolphins, whales. I have no idea why they were allowed.
Continuation of "New 25 essential habitat animals META-WISHLIST" by random goat
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your votes have been counted and added to the listOk so I guess I must update my old wishlist then:
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Capybara->Collared peccary-> DuckScimitar horned Oryx-> PelicanHamadrayas Baboon-> Galago- Alligator Snapping turtle
- Nile crocodile
Greater Rhea-> Night monkey- Grey crowned Crane
American Alligator-> Rock hyrax- Black Crseted Macaque
- Yellow throated marten
Dromedary-> SquirrelFallow Deer-> GuineafowlAsian small clawed otter-> Tree kangarooLar Gibbon-> CoatiEmu-> TamarinWallaby-> OnagerKiwi-> PheasentLeopard->Armadillo-> GuerezaIbex-> Echidna- Aye Aye
- Arabian Oryx
Sloth-> Barbary sheepStriped Hyena-> Howler monkeyHoney badger-> Patagonian maraWild boar-> Antarctic penguin (gentoo/adelie/chinstrap)
I stand corrected I thought it was just the manatee well then anything of similar description should be allowed on the list because consistency is more important here.
In the past, the argument for aquatic mammals being on the list was that modders were able to make them. Today, modders are able to make flying birds, but we don't allow them on the list because we know Frontier's "capabilities".
If we were making a new list I would have different opinions but the most important thing right now is to preserve the data any changes that do not uniformly affect the whole data set will ruin its useability so therefore should not happen.
So you think fish should stay? What if someone adds a list with just fish? How many species would we have to add to the list?
Since fish are already included in the list then yes they should remain. The instructions do say no fish but given what is actually in the list I think its best to assume that the instructions refer to fish smaller than the size of an iguana as that is the leading size requirement of the sentence.
Let's look at it from another angle, the list is about habitat animals and refers to Planet Zoo 1. Do fully aquatic animals have a chance to appear as habitat animals, especially do fish have a chance. Sloths after being added to WTE all species were removed from the list.
If we removed fully aquatic animals, people would have a chance to replace them with others. People who voted for the manatee, for example, could vote for another animal, a bird, a monkey, an ungulate, or something else.
This is something I can agree with The whole idea is we want a consistent rule set across both halves of the list otherwise there will be issues with data interpretation.
I realise this and if I was making the list from scratch I would not allow birds or aquatics but we are using a data set that followed a predetermined rule set changing the rules for one half would only ruin the data
I agree, that's why I'm wondering what to do. Should I adjust the list to the real possibilities present in the game or will we only throw our wishes that have no real chance in the game.
Leave the list as is. Preserve the original data points there’s no way you’re going to chase down everyone who voted for an aquatic animal and get them to change their vote, so therefore you’ll have a bunch of users without the 25 animals therefore removing the original intent of the list
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That's the correct course of action. And the sequel will likely have aquatics anyway.
At this point maybe someone should do a separate list for animals to include in PZ2 (there are already threads about it, but I don't think there's anyone with aggregated datas) so this one thread would more clearly be about additions to PZ1 specifically.
Exactly! This list is about PZ1 and what has a real chance of appearing in the game. We should adapt it to what is possible in the game. Exactly, this list has shown the needs of the community and what we want in the game many times. Frontier has benefited from this many times. Creating a separate list with animals for PZ2 and creating a new base is also necessary. First of all, this list is about PZ1. As for chasing everyone to change their vote, it would be the same as before. Before I add someone, I always verify the list every time and inform what is wrong.
This list has been created since 2020. Many things have changed, and the rules have changed along the way. You used to be able to vote for 30, 20, 25 animals, sloths and mouse-sized mammals have been removed from the list. I don't think fully aquatic animals will appear in the game at this point. They are probably reserved for PZ2, just like flying birds. Also, see that there are separate lists for Essential exhibit animals, Essential aviary animals, Essential fully aquatic animals.
Of course it would be. If fully aquatic animals were removed, everyone had the option to replace them with something else if they had them on their list.
You know what, the best solution is to contact random_goat the author of this list. I'm just continuing his work. I'll ask him why some fully aquatic animals are on the list and what to do with this fact in the current state of the game. Is it a good idea to remove them from the list or add every single fully aquatic mammal or fish to the list. His answer will be crucial because he is the author.
Extinct animals like Dodo Birds and Dinosaurs are also prohibited as well. I assume the same applies to Cryptids as well.
An alternative solution would be to list fish and other aquatics separately from the main list. Move my list to the fully aquatic wishlist thread if that's not an option.
Glad to see we're working on a solution.
And let me bring up something else: If the only fully aquatic species we end up getting are the Manatees, we still wouldn't be able to build a public aquarium that runs like a Zoo because the rest of the big fish are missing.
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