Planet Zoo | Asia Animal Pack | Announcement
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Thats really funny to read and proves that we in the forums are not the only players. So, we even are not an indicator for what the whole community wants, it's just a coincidence, that the most of us think, we need way more primates.
This comment sounds more ironic to me and not really serious at all.
Nevertheless, the elephant looks great. Even if I would have chosen another animal, this does not decrease the quality of the model.
some takes are objectively incorrect i fear
The elephant is not a bad model per se, but for me the third elephant (that was absolutely unneccessary) would have meant that the quality knocks me out of my socks to be good with it.
This clearly does not and it is the weakest animal model so far (Bagder and Tanuki are stunning, high quality, especially the Tanuki).
For the elpehant: Skin is to monotone, there is no variance, it just feels mass fabricated. There is no life in the skin and the coloring. Body and tusks seems fine. It is a "well, fine, passes" model, nothing is major, but as I said: I expect better with clones. If you add clones, put extra effort in it. (Flamingo from last pack is a good example).
This clearly does not and it is the weakest animal model so far (Bagder and Tanuki are stunning, high quality, especially the Tanuki).
For the elpehant: Skin is to monotone, there is no variance, it just feels mass fabricated. There is no life in the skin and the coloring. Body and tusks seems fine. It is a "well, fine, passes" model, nothing is major, but as I said: I expect better with clones. If you add clones, put extra effort in it. (Flamingo from last pack is a good example).
About the elephants...this is nothing compared to the community's previous debate about "livestock".
ah good times, 30 pages of a useless argument
I think these elephants while well made still won’t be used over the Indian elephant a lot for me personally. The Indian elephants are colorful and the babies are fluffy and adorable. I like the Indian elephant irl and in game. The Bornean Elephant is such a pointless inclusion to me especially when it could’ve been a golden pheasant or mandarin Duck and elevate the pack from a good one to one of my all time favorites
Well, there is always the one, but the comment suggests something positive about the elephant was posted under controversial opinion and that user agreed.
Wouldn't neccessarily say these are a huge chunk of people- There will never be conformity in opinions. Never heared anyone say before that we have too many small mammals. Monkeys are always controversial. There are a lot of people unfortunately who do not like them. That was always a 50:50 discussion outside of the animal nerd bubble.
What did I miss?
You missed a war
Imma be honest, the elephant is really growing on me
Exactly. We aren't the only community. There's the Steam community, the YouTube community, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit, etc.
There are several other opinions put there and we don't all agree on the same thing, so we shouldn't assume that this particular place is where the devs get feedback
I think this was always going to be a disappointment anyway because making this inclusion even somewhat worthwhile (by being a massive improvement on the base game Asian elephant) was a difficult task given the base game elephants are some of the better base game models (mostly because they lack fur I think). Also generally the Asian elephants don’t tend to look that different to each other (as opposed to say how the American flamingo is not just a graphical upgrade but also has some colour differences) and the size aspect is probably going to be negated by the huge size variations from 100-0% we have anyway. I don’t imagine a 0% Indian elephant and a 100% Bornean Pygmy Elephant will be very different in size. Possibly even the 100% Pygmy will be larger I suspect.
Looking at previous ‘clones’ gives some insight on things the elephant does little of which I think is why this addition is so universally disliked.
- Wisent - morphologically different to the American Bison, a huge upgrade in quality over the American Bison and also represents a different area geographically (Europe/Americas).
- American Flamingo - a huge upgrade in quality over the Greater Flamingo, visually distinct in colourations and represents a different area geographically (Central America/Eurasia).
- African Leopard - firstly was free, is visually different in colouration and fur length, represent different areas geographically (Africa vs East Asia/Siberia)
- Black and White Ruffed Lemur - again free, visually distinct from the Red-ruffed lemur in fur colouration and fur shape around the head, represents a species very common in zoos that is often found alongside the animal it clones
- Alpaca - visually distinct from the llama, a great improvement in quality, is often found accompanying its clone
- Malayan Tapir - a huge upgrade in quality (now!), visually different in morphology and colouration, represents a completely different geographical region (Central America/Southeast Asia)
- Black Rhino - visual distinct in morphology, size and colouration, improved quality, common in zoos.
- Spectacled Caiman - more common in zoos than the animal it ‘cloned’ (the Cuvier’s Dwarf Caiman), better quality, visually distinct in colourations and size.
- Lar Gibbon - different animations to the Siamang, improved quality, different colouration and size.
- Blue Wildebeest - hugely improved quality, more common in zoos than the Black Wildebeest, morphologically different.
- Striped Hyena - visually distinct to the Spotted Hyena, better model, represent different regions geographically (Sub-Saharan Africa vs North Africa/Middle East).
- Dromedary - Very different morphologically, huge improvement in quality over the Bactrian, represent different areas geographically.
- Asian Water Monitor - Huge upgrade in quality over the Nile Monitor, different colouration, represents a different geographical region (Africa vs Asia)
And similarly, all these animals have a justification for inclusion despite varied similarities to the species they ‘cloned’ - they’re common in zoos and thus, were requested to either accompany the species already in game or act as an alternative option.
Now look at the Bornean Pygmy Elephant:
I guess unless you’re specifically building an Indonesian zoo - there’s not particularly a case where you’d be thinking (damn I wish I had a Bornean Elephant instead of the Indian)…
If we’re really in the market for clones in a pack there are loads of better options than dumping the elephant in Asia:
I don’t hate it but I’ll never use it I suspect (not on principal, just because I’ll use the more common African and Indian elephants which are perfectly fine models )…
Elephants are such overbearing and iconic animals in zoos. I already find when I’m building a zoo my thought process goes like this.
- Okay, now do I want my Asian Elephant to be Indian or Bornean?
And usually this flow chart goes:
- Do I want elephants in this zoo? No.
If it is yes:
- Do I want African or Asian Elephants? African.
On the rare chance I choose Asian, I’m always gonna choose the Indian..
A confusing choice for a free species, never mind a paid inclusion? When does it really need use? On the rare occasion we get bored of building for Asian and African elephants? Or we build an Indonesian rescue centre specifically based on Borneo?
Looking at previous ‘clones’ gives some insight on things the elephant does little of which I think is why this addition is so universally disliked.
- Wisent - morphologically different to the American Bison, a huge upgrade in quality over the American Bison and also represents a different area geographically (Europe/Americas).
- American Flamingo - a huge upgrade in quality over the Greater Flamingo, visually distinct in colourations and represents a different area geographically (Central America/Eurasia).
- African Leopard - firstly was free, is visually different in colouration and fur length, represent different areas geographically (Africa vs East Asia/Siberia)
- Black and White Ruffed Lemur - again free, visually distinct from the Red-ruffed lemur in fur colouration and fur shape around the head, represents a species very common in zoos that is often found alongside the animal it clones
- Alpaca - visually distinct from the llama, a great improvement in quality, is often found accompanying its clone
- Malayan Tapir - a huge upgrade in quality (now!), visually different in morphology and colouration, represents a completely different geographical region (Central America/Southeast Asia)
- Black Rhino - visual distinct in morphology, size and colouration, improved quality, common in zoos.
- Spectacled Caiman - more common in zoos than the animal it ‘cloned’ (the Cuvier’s Dwarf Caiman), better quality, visually distinct in colourations and size.
- Lar Gibbon - different animations to the Siamang, improved quality, different colouration and size.
- Blue Wildebeest - hugely improved quality, more common in zoos than the Black Wildebeest, morphologically different.
- Striped Hyena - visually distinct to the Spotted Hyena, better model, represent different regions geographically (Sub-Saharan Africa vs North Africa/Middle East).
- Dromedary - Very different morphologically, huge improvement in quality over the Bactrian, represent different areas geographically.
- Asian Water Monitor - Huge upgrade in quality over the Nile Monitor, different colouration, represents a different geographical region (Africa vs Asia)
And similarly, all these animals have a justification for inclusion despite varied similarities to the species they ‘cloned’ - they’re common in zoos and thus, were requested to either accompany the species already in game or act as an alternative option.
Now look at the Bornean Pygmy Elephant:
- Similar Colouration to the Indian Elephant
- Similar Morphology to the Indian Elephant
- Not a huge improvement in model quality against the Indian Elephant
- Likely not going to have a huge size difference to the Indian Elephant (unless using 100% Indian and 0% Bornean).
- Captive presence is very low compared to the Indian Elephant
- Does not particularly represent a major different geographical area to the Indian Elephant (Tropical South Asia vs Tropical Southeast Asia).
I guess unless you’re specifically building an Indonesian zoo - there’s not particularly a case where you’d be thinking (damn I wish I had a Bornean Elephant instead of the Indian)…
If we’re really in the market for clones in a pack there are loads of better options than dumping the elephant in Asia:
- Asiatic Tiger (vastly different geographical region, visually distinct Mane, base game lion is very poor quality, common in captivity)
- Sumatran Orangutan (different colouration, base game orangutan is very poor quality and could do with an upgrade, common in captivity)
- European Brown Bear (Represents a different major region to the other Brown Bears, based game Brown Bears are very poor quality, common in zoos)
- Masai Giraffe (very different colour patterns to the Reticulated Giraffe, common in zoos)
- Nile Crocodile (different geographic region to the Saltwater Crocodile, Base Game Croc is very poorly quality)
I don’t hate it but I’ll never use it I suspect (not on principal, just because I’ll use the more common African and Indian elephants which are perfectly fine models )…
Elephants are such overbearing and iconic animals in zoos. I already find when I’m building a zoo my thought process goes like this.
- Do I want this zoo to have elephants? Yes/No
- If yes, do I want elephants for my Asia or Africa zone?
- Okay, now do I want my Asian Elephant to be Indian or Bornean?
And usually this flow chart goes:
- Do I want elephants in this zoo? No.
If it is yes:
- Do I want African or Asian Elephants? African.
On the rare chance I choose Asian, I’m always gonna choose the Indian..
A confusing choice for a free species, never mind a paid inclusion? When does it really need use? On the rare occasion we get bored of building for Asian and African elephants? Or we build an Indonesian rescue centre specifically based on Borneo?
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I am well okay with another elephant
if we now finaly begin to get more zebras, giraffes, elks/deer and bunch more wolves
Yes, I hear you "mOrE wOlVeS?!" ... but even though I hear guys saying two american wolves is enough,
I still think we are missing these:
Extra unique Endangered Ethiopian wolf
Extra thin hot climate Endangered Indian wolf
Extra red and Criticaly Endangered Red wolf
- - - additions
Extra fluffy Vulnerable Himalayan wolf
- However only if they would be the ultra fluffy neck variant compared to Arctic ones. Othewise it's not that unique besides lighter/beige color while Arctic should get more clean white texture.
Least concern Eurasian wolf, cmon let Europe have something too
- But it would be actually cooler if they got rather 'summer variant' or had both winter and summer variant so it looks distinctive from grey/timber wolf.
I am not 'that crazy wolf lover person', I am actually crazy for equines and deer, but still I think these wolves, at least the first three, are still important to get to the game.
If we got almost all bears of the world and plenty of crocodilians, I cannot stop fighting for wolves that are accused of "more than enough" by having just two american individuals.
if we now finaly begin to get more zebras, giraffes, elks/deer and bunch more wolves
Yes, I hear you "mOrE wOlVeS?!" ... but even though I hear guys saying two american wolves is enough,
I still think we are missing these:
- - - additions
- However only if they would be the ultra fluffy neck variant compared to Arctic ones. Othewise it's not that unique besides lighter/beige color while Arctic should get more clean white texture.
- But it would be actually cooler if they got rather 'summer variant' or had both winter and summer variant so it looks distinctive from grey/timber wolf.
I am not 'that crazy wolf lover person', I am actually crazy for equines and deer, but still I think these wolves, at least the first three, are still important to get to the game.
If we got almost all bears of the world and plenty of crocodilians, I cannot stop fighting for wolves that are accused of "more than enough" by having just two american individuals.
Maybe let's not have this game turn into Nintendogs
