No doubt, they could.
Yup, and like dropping the Mac version due to circumstances changing, well, plans change.
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Their own intentions from 10 years ago. 10 years ago I had all manner of plans that make no sense today.
But that's beside the point, Lucas(edit - Lucaz apologies) was suggesting fdev should be listening to the current "internet-cries" on this topic.
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Indeed, Frontier gets no more money from me for supposed future content.
I'd be delighted if they came out and told us their plans for what they intend and do not intend to add.perhaps .... but they owe it to the backers if morally rather than legally, some of whom paid a lot of money precisely because of that plan to admit that things have changed as well as why they think their new plan is better .
imo companies can have it one of 2 ways.
they can make their game and sell a product and we as punters can choose to buy or not..... And other than that they do not owe us a damn thing
or they can come out cap in hand and sell us a dream and get people invested - both emotionally and economical.
BUT at that point if they are no longer going to stick to the plan which got (some of) us to get on board in the 1st place then we deserve to be kept in the loop.
FWIW I would have bought elite dangerous anyway (it was only £20). I probably would have bought the LTP as well on the off chance (£80 for game and LTP) ...... but i definitely would have left it at that. it was the future plans for expansions which got me to go further than that. DB asked us to trust in them to make the game he always wanted to make. So I did.
(I confess i did make some of my money back at the VIP free bar on launch day in Duxford however..... so i am not exactly out of pocket) - but i would happily trade all of those shots and beers for a new paid expansion!.
But it's fdev.
Define "promise".
Compare a backpack on a Maverick suit with the size of the 120-odd components you can fit in there. Often large spools of wire of cubes of titanium plating.
TARDIS technology is clearly a thing in the ED universe.
Even some of the ship material components an SRV can scoop up from wreck sites/Dav's Hope are chunkier than would really fit.
Courtesy of the Oxford Languages:
noun: a declaration or assurance that one will do something or that a particular thing will happen.
verb: assure someone that one will definitely do something or that something will happen.
Compare that to the infamous video of David Braben saying, “you will be able to do (thing), you will be able to do (other thing), just not in the initial release.”
Although he didn’t say pinky swear I promise, I can see how some backers could have seen it as so
If David Braben just slightly raises his eyebrow it's being construed as a promise.
I knew the ‘p’ word would trigger, but the point doesn’t hang on the offending word, it hangs on the material produced by Frontier to indicate that certain features would be coming.
Indeed they might still be coming, they just aren't here yet!
Would be - by when?
I'd say "could" - it's more a desire/aspiration than a plan. We knew a lot would depend on design possibilities.
Yes, they certainly aren’t here yet. Perhaps that’s why customer like to remind Frontier?
The material is still available, I guess people can look at the primary source and decide for themselves.
Just checked Newsletter 32. Frontier used the word ‘plan’ quite often in it.
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The assumption is that if Frontier offer an LEP with an accompanying development plan, they have an obligation to deliver. That has proved to be a faulty assumption (so far).
We all know what they say about plans... first casualty of battle, best laid, mice and men aft gang agley etc...
I get your point, never give a video game developer money for an undelivered product.
This isn't exactly a revelation, and it isn't unique to video games. Giving anyone money for an undelivered, unfinished product on the basis of plans and promises is an investment at best, and speculation at worst. Don't do it if you can't cope with the prospect of potentially losing that money.
But maybe that's a life lesson gamers need to learn seperately.
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Yes indeed, we Kickstarters knew what we were getting in the initial release.
And definitely knew a lot more by the time of Horizons.
It's not exactly a revelation either that unhappy customers will complain.
You're selling a vision of your product but change your plan afterwards? Well, don't do it if you can't cope with the prospect of people bringing it up and complaining.
Maybe it's a matter of perspective, but who's the bigger fool, the one selling a vision, or the one buying it? I know I would never put money into a future promise, much less a video game promise, unless it's little enough money so it doesn't still hurt 11 years down the line if I lost it or the plans changed for something against my expectations.It's not exactly a revelation either that unhappy customers will complain.
You're selling a vision of your product but change your plan afterwards? Well, don't do it if you can't cope with the prospect of people bringing it up and complaining.
How much was a LEP? 100 quid? 200? Seriously, if that's enough money to be salty for 11 years, one should not have put that money into a promise. Ever.
You shouldn't put money into a gamble if you're not prepared to lose it.
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