as an extra thing, I'd like to point out that at something like a kickstarter phase, you're not a customer. You're an investor.It's not exactly a revelation either that unhappy customers will complain.
You're selling a vision of your product but change your plan afterwards? Well, don't do it if you can't cope with the prospect of people bringing it up and complaining.
ship interiors - will they happen
- Thread starter Woakes
- Start date
We all would be delighted, for sure.
Not only FDEV. Look at those many software companies (not only games) and their promises and what's left of them. May I mention Duke Nukem forever? Windows Longhorn? Apple's 'Project Titan', IBM's System/360 Model 44 etc.
I'd dare to say that all of above products weren't abandoned just out of spite. Things happen and when looking at myself and my plans and 'promises' for the future, I can only add myself to above lineup.
Yes. The "contract" Ts & Cs are pretty clear.
DB and FDev were not obliged to provide ship interiors.
The fact we have new ship cockpits, FC interiors and station interiors is more than they were required to do.
Over the years the discussion has gotten more than tedious, at least in my opinion.
Not to forget that Odyssey's on foot content was a prerequisite for ship interiors, how would you do ship interiors without being able to walk around. Obviously they also needed to add on foot gameplay so we got all that content too. I don't know if interiors was in the Odyssey plans or not. Maybe it was but was left unfinished as they ran over time and decided to get the DLC out. Might be that it's around the corner, but might also be that we never get it.
Not to forget that Odyssey's on foot content was a prerequisite for ship interiors, how would you do ship interiors without being able to walk around. Obviously they also needed to add on foot gameplay so we got all that content too. I don't know if interiors was in the Odyssey plans or not. Maybe it was but was left unfinished as they ran over time and decided to get the DLC out. Might be that it's around the corner, but might also be that we never get it.
It is a little bit like your kids constantly asking "are we there yet?".
![[VR] Mad Mike](https://forums-cdn.zaonce.net/data/avatars/m/27/27910.jpg?1553527108){kind=avatar}
I mean this is the games discussion and feedback forum... if you find posts about ship interiors or missing features in the game tedious you could always ignore them, The title of the thread is pretty obvious, its not like some hidden click bait title to miss lead anyone
I am not gonna say no one....... because there will always be someone ......... but not many people have suggested FD owe us an honest update on the state of the game or future plans in any legal sense... BUT if you are are gonna finance your game at least in part by a leap of faith based on a pitch then I dont think it is unreasonable to expect to be kept in the loop when plans change. and if you want to call us early backers who dug deep to help realise that pitch mugs , or accuse us of being tight because we are complaining about only £200 or what ever then so be it, you may even be correct........... but just bear in mind without those mugs the game definitely would have failed to pass kickstarter (it only just made it) and assuming you believe DB at the time, the game would not have been made if it didnt get over the line..
Also bear in mind the general response for the 1st half dozen or so years of the game to questions about future content was that backers need to be patient, and that it was too early to ask such questions.................. where as now it is apparently too late because it was ages ago.
I wonder when the goldilocks time was where we were "allowed" to ask without being chastised?
I am not gonna say no one....... because there will always be someone ......... but not many people have suggested FD owe us an honest update on the state of the game or future plans in any legal sense... BUT if you are are gonna finance your game at least in part by a leap of faith based on a pitch then I dont think it is unreasonable to expect to be kept in the loop when plans change. and if you want to call us early backers who dug deep to help realise that pitch mugs , or accuse us of being tight because we are complaining about only £200 or what ever then so be it, you may even be correct........... but just bear in mind without those mugs the game definitely would have failed to pass kickstarter (it only just made it) and assuming you believe DB at the time, the game would not have been made if it didnt get over the line..
Also bear in mind the general response for the 1st half dozen or so years of the game to questions about future content was that backers need to be patient, and that it was too early to ask such questions.................. where as now it is apparently too late because it was ages ago.
I wonder when the goldilocks time was where we were "allowed" to ask without being chastised?
Last edited:
So many threads..... so many, many threads.....
Why not combine them into one so we can ignore the pointless moaning about some off-the-cuff remark about a pre-development aspiration from 11 years ago?
It has been 11 years... Is it too soon?
You're not an investor, you won't get any financial return on your investment.
KickStarter was an astonishingly bad idea for the customer who was required to provide capital, get no return on the capital and take all the risk. It was closest to being a charity donation.
Though the LEP was a product provided by Frontier and therefore subject to UK consumer law.
Fine, call it a charity. Still not a "customer". Still a gamble.
I'll put my usual last post into a ship interior thread, I don't think it's going to happen, but I think it should.
My big worry is that like space legs, unless meaningful gameplay loops involved in the interior ship design process it will become a novelty that after a few visits will become ignored for the most part. Don't get me wrong as I see the potential.
Hey, we got Mercenary paintjobs. And named some NPCs!
Ship Repair
I can currently do that from the warmth and comfort of my ship.Ship Repair
I normally do ignore it, it's not like I'm a rabid anti ship interiors poster. It was just an observation.
…in that totally off-the-cuff, completely unscripted video for backers called “Elite Dangerous Development Plan”
A thought came to my mind. Probably I'm not the first one to think this, but anyway.
Perhaps they will never implement full on ship interiors where you can walk everywhere inside the ship (corridors, captain's quarters, passenger cabins, exit ramp door...), but maybe one day they will allow us to stand up in the cockpit and walk around (at least for ships where the cockpit is large enough for this)? Also would allow us to walk to and sit down on another of the seats in a multi-seater ship.
The Panther Clipper Mk2 looks like it's screaming for this to become a possibility, given its ginormous command deck.
The big advantage is that this would require only extremely minimal work from the developers, and thus would likely be well within their time and resources to do.
Perhaps they will never implement full on ship interiors where you can walk everywhere inside the ship (corridors, captain's quarters, passenger cabins, exit ramp door...), but maybe one day they will allow us to stand up in the cockpit and walk around (at least for ships where the cockpit is large enough for this)? Also would allow us to walk to and sit down on another of the seats in a multi-seater ship.
The Panther Clipper Mk2 looks like it's screaming for this to become a possibility, given its ginormous command deck.
The big advantage is that this would require only extremely minimal work from the developers, and thus would likely be well within their time and resources to do.
The Cutter has plenty of room too.
But I can't see "allow us to walk to and sit down on another of the seats in a multi-seater ship" amusing for more than 5 minutes.
If that was the standard, then half of the game wouldn't have been developed at all.