ship interiors - will they happen

Indeed. If FD had factored in the possibility of doing internal repairs from the start then they wouldn't have implemented the AMFU or repair limpets (or at least implemented them with some limitations).

For any interior gameplay it needs to add something new to the game, not replicate existing functionality or add new problems to the game where none existed before.
This is the problem. There's plenty of areas where ship gameplay could exist, but in the meanwhile Frontier had to make a game where you can do everything from a chair. AMFUs and many other things got added as a placeholder, now any possible repair gameplay space is being squatted on by a button, you press it and repair happens.
Any meaningful change would have to completely strip out and replace the placeholder, but there's no good way to do that. It would surely not be viable except as a paid expansion, but then you have to leave the placeholder in for those who don't have the DLC which defeats the whole point
 
This is the problem. There's plenty of areas where ship gameplay could exist, but in the meanwhile Frontier had to make a game where you can do everything from a chair. AMFUs and many other things got added as a placeholder, now any possible repair gameplay space is being squatted on by a button, you press it and repair happens.
Any meaningful change would have to completely strip out and replace the placeholder, but there's no good way to do that. It would surely not be viable except as a paid expansion, but then you have to leave the placeholder in for those who don't have the DLC which defeats the whole point
There's still options. For the AFMU to work, you have to set the module to be repaired offline. Hands on in ship manual repairs could work with the module still online and include fixing the powerplant.
 
Though I imagine if that was so, the VR players would have told us by now, since they are the only ones already able to move around their cockpits and actually peek behind the doors.
I always have a quick look around new ships, and while there have been a few cool things to see that would be difficult/impossible to see with the fixed internal camera views there’s never been any secret ship internals added as far as I can see.

There’s also nothing blocking them either, like really badly placed vehicle bays 😁
 
My idea (suggestion) is that if FDev is moving forward with interiors, they would make them only for the new SCO enabled ships (living with the outcry of players who want to fly the classic ships) first.
In a second step, they could rework some parts of the classic ships, if there was enough demand.
Monetization could work as follows: "Interiors DLC, including all new SCO ships", ARX based add-ons per classic ship.
It would be such a typical Frontier style move, it could well happen some day :p And at least the outcry would be quite entertaining, even though I'd rather get my entertainment from the game itself as opposed to online drama. Beggars can't be choosers though...

Joking aside - if they did that, I'd consider it the worst of both worlds... I'm sure the whales would gobble it up as per usual, but more casual, less involved players could (and should) ask themselves "why do I pay for the ship, and then have to pay more to get access to its interiors".

My biggest issue with that approach would be inconsistency. I don't know if anyone here remembers or knows, but Gran Turismo 5 on the Playstation 3 shipped with two tiers of vehicles, 1) highly detailed exterior and interior models and 2) lower polygon models with no cockpit (just a black background in the shape of one) as those cars were ported from the Playstation 2 predecessor. I hated 2) and despite wanting to drive a lot of those cars, because of how they were inplemented I didn't touch them. A little how I treat Saud Kruger ships in Elite. Immersion is an important aspect for me, YMMV of course, I know many people play racing games via the bumper cam still.

Long story short, the only way I would spend money on any Interiors DLC (which in itself is already a poor value proposition, it'd have to be amazing, or come with additional features to be worth any real cash for me) is it'd have to be available for all ships in the game.
 
Long story short, the only way I would spend money on any Interiors DLC (which in itself is already a poor value proposition, it'd have to be amazing, or come with additional features to be worth any real cash for me) is it'd have to be available for all ships in the game.
They only have external damage modelling for the Anaconda, so you can probably imagine how likely it is they'd do different interiors for different ships.
 
We can walk on planets, in the Concourse and FC. However, when you teleport to the cockpit / deck... the player becomes the ship. You are a vehicle, rather than a person. That's not immersive, because the player should be an autonomous person in a vessel.
Depends on your POV. You are a person IRL who can fly a spaceship ingame (which is something you cannot do IRL).
Walking around is something you can already do IRL.
(BTW you cannot really walk around ingame, you can only control an avatar who probably does not even look like you.) :)
 
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Joking aside - if they did that, I'd consider it the worst of both worlds... I'm sure the whales would gobble it up as per usual, but more casual, less involved players could (and should) ask themselves "why do I pay for the ship, and then have to pay more to get access to its interiors".
That is same with Odyssey DLC or any paint job: Added value may justify an extra price. If one doesn't see the value, they don't have to buy it. Interiors may have little potential to 'win the game' :)
My argument against 'whales' is that this term is a hyperbole: How much did we spend for our gaming rigs? Other games? A cup of cappuccino? Would a very casual player miss anything if they hadn't the Interiors DLC? N.b. I am considering myself to be a casual player because I spend between 3-9 hours per week in ED.
My biggest issue with that approach would be inconsistency. I don't know if anyone here remembers or knows, but Gran Turismo 5 on the Playstation 3 shipped with two tiers of vehicles, 1) highly detailed exterior and interior models and 2) lower polygon models with no cockpit (just a black background in the shape of one) as those cars were ported from the Playstation 2 predecessor. I hated 2) and despite wanting to drive a lot of those cars, because of how they were inplemented I didn't touch them. A little how I treat Saud Kruger ships in Elite. Immersion is an important aspect for me, YMMV of course, I know many people play racing games via the bumper cam still.
That is a fair point. But would it really make sense from a commercial perspective (yes, FDev needs to make money to pay their employees, etc.) to develop a ship interior for e.g. the Asp Scout? (Sorry players, don't beat me, it is an example). FDev has the telemetry to make a good guess which ships may be the most popular not only in terms of flight time but also how much players are spending on their respective ship kits and paint jobs.
Long story short, the only way I would spend money on any Interiors DLC (which in itself is already a poor value proposition, it'd have to be amazing, or come with additional features to be worth any real cash for me) is it'd have to be available for all ships in the game.
I agree I want to have ship interiors with added game play - not just for the sake of having some walkable cabins and corridors.
 
There's still options. For the AFMU to work, you have to set the module to be repaired offline. Hands on in ship manual repairs could work with the module still online and include fixing the powerplant.
Keeping the module on isn't going to be of much benefit when it requires you to stop using the rest of the ship. Even if we went the whole way and gave NPC/player crew the ability to do that while you pilot (which would be a way better placeholder until interiors were implemented) its still a pretty marginal benefit. There just isn't much room to improve over Magic Repair Button.
 
Keeping the module on isn't going to be of much benefit when it requires you to stop using the rest of the ship. Even if we went the whole way and gave NPC/player crew the ability to do that while you pilot (which would be a way better placeholder until interiors were implemented) its still a pretty marginal benefit. There just isn't much room to improve over Magic Repair Button.
You forget multicrew. This would expand that mechanic quite a lot. More jobs than turret gunner or fighter pilot means more (or even anything) to do on a ship not specifically built for multicrew, i.e. not having turrets or fighter bay.
 
They only have external damage modelling for the Anaconda, so you can probably imagine how likely it is they'd do different interiors for different ships.
Good point... it does show they have form throughout the game's history - the mining revamp shows they can if they want to, but unfortunately there's way too many half-baked/semi-finished aspects and placeholders in the game... I wonder if their theme park IPs suffer from the same problem or whether this is specific to Elite. Maybe they outsource a lot of the content (the 4.0 UI revamp certainly gives me that vibe).
That is same with Odyssey DLC or any paint job: Added value may justify an extra price. If one doesn't see the value, they don't have to buy it. Interiors may have little potential to 'win the game' :)
My argument against 'whales' is that this term is a hyperbole: How much did we spend for our gaming rigs? Other games? A cup of cappuccino? Would a very casual player miss anything if they hadn't the Interiors DLC? N.b. I am considering myself to be a casual player because I spend between 3-9 hours per week in ED.
I spent north of 600 Euros on Elite. Is that sufficient? Too much? Not enough? Do I qualify as a whale (personally I'd say yes, but maybe only SC level spending does to some people?).

Either way, I tend to answer that question by looking at what other games (i.e. the competition in terms of products vying for my entertainment time & budget) offer... and on that basis Elite isn't a good deal in pure money terms, even if I take hours played into account (and I can say for sure that a sizeable chunk of the 5k hours in Elite were not particularly fun, though the end often justified the means).

Elite is often sold at heavy discounts (or even given out for free), while other games still sell at full fat prices. That's really on Frontier though... I'd prefer if they kept the base game and DLC pricing stable, while including at least some of the cosmetics in the price for free instead of making such an industry out of it. They decided otherwise and it is what it is.

You could look at it from another perspective. Are people that scored the game from the bargain bin sale more likely to dump dozens if not hundreds of notes for often questionable-quality cosmetics? I'm not talking about enthusiasts like you or me, but your regular play-game-for-20-hours-then-drop-it types.
That is a fair point. But would it really make sense from a commercial perspective (yes, FDev needs to make money to pay their employees, etc.) to develop a ship interior for e.g. the Asp Scout? (Sorry players, don't beat me, it is an example). FDev has the telemetry to make a good guess which ships may be the most popular not only in terms of flight time but also how much players are spending on their respective ship kits and paint jobs.
Hehe, poor Scout, good example. Both for your argument, but also my counter-argument... They could maybe make it less rubbish by overhauling its characteristics? It's their game, there's nothing keeping them from changing it, and they would also sell more cosmetics for it as I'm sure people who are/were willing to fly other beauties-in-the-eyes-of-their-beholders would do the same with the Scout if it had any redeeming features at all.
I agree I want to have ship interiors with added game play - not just for the sake of having some walkable cabins and corridors.
You know, I really am split on this need for gameplay associated to interiors. I get why people would want it... but...

In X4, there's no real gameplay to walkable ship interiors - well, there is, but it's pretty light touch, mostly story driven (i.e. meet xyz on bridge or crew quarters to talk to), but it adds so much to the scale and character of each ship, even if there are only few rooms available (although ships like the Astrid also exist).

It's just nice to be able to walk towards the ship, see your pilot through the canopy, climb up the ladder/ramp, and walk towards the pilot chair to relief said pilot from their duty (or command them to lift off). It really gives me the sense of physically stepping into a spaceship. Despite some jank at times.

I still find it fun and immersive, and even after 1,200 hours in the game don't usually short-cut (button combo to skip to ship cockpit is available) unless I'm in a hurry, or eventually tire of it so it's a good an necessary option to have still.

My skepticism around Elite interiors comes from how FC interiors were designed - there's just one layout, built from recycled Odyssey assets, and still glitches out now and then. I wouldn't be against it per se but I don't see Frontier having the ability to pull it off properly, with the level of attention to detail that it clearly deserves.
 
There is no saving the Asp Scout without altering it quite substantially. It's got the guns and the Maneuverability of a Cobra class ship, but it has a hitbox like a fat medium, because it is a medium ship. And all it gets over the old Cobras for that is a size 5 optional slot, a slot that already exists on the small DBX. And now the Cobra V beats the AspS in literally everything. It is smaller, flies better, has more firepower and a size 5 internal as well.
 
There are no C5 slots on the DBX, just 2 off C4.(if it had a C5 the fuel scooping could be speeded up considerably!)
True, I forgot that this was it's main drawback as explorer. So the C5 is the first small ship with a C5. Ironically mine is set up as an explorer and uses the size 5 for the FSD booster and just a size 4 scoop. Tank is small enough so that doesn't matter.
 
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I think that our view on interiors doesn't differ that much as it seemed when we entered the discussion. ;)
I'd say that most (almost everyone) would like to see interiors in a meaningful way (i.e. game play and fun) with an option to shortcut tedious loops (e.g. running the same boring corridors) and the ability to ignore them completely (through the ability of not having to buy them, just like Odyssey).

I believe that this would make most players happy, except a few people where I don't understand what would actually make them happy. Ok, I know of a certain infamous YT streamer that his business model is <redacted>.

I guess the main hurdle for FDev is to obtain the internal development budget and actually do it because it poses a certain risk.
 
Ship interiors done right can be a big win. Unlike a game like Starfield ED can't rely on a modding community to implement things the developers were too busy/uncreative/unwilling to put in though. Starfield in the beginning had pretty interiors, but no other function than a bed to sleep/wait and crafting stations. Modders have added massively to that. One of the first things was making infirmaries actually work as healing stations. A whole framework of capturing enemies alive, putting them into the ship's brig and then selling them off to the authorities was added from scratch by modders. Next up were mess halls that you can actually call your crew to to meet up and eat. In a really big ship this is also a nice way to find all crew members, simply get them all together. Another mod added EVA. Yet another removed the randomness of where your crew is and what it does by actually assigning stations to them which they occupy in flight, work and off time schedules. One mod added actual Star Trek teleporters, allowing you to board another ship that has it's shields down, without the need to physically dock. Holodecks with shooting ranges exist too. I'm fairly sure I've forgotten some things, and I'm even more sure that even more things will be added in the future.
 
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I think that our view on interiors doesn't differ that much as it seemed when we entered the discussion. ;)
I'd say that most (almost everyone) would like to see interiors in a meaningful way (i.e. game play and fun) with an option to shortcut tedious loops (e.g. running the same boring corridors) and the ability to ignore them completely (through the ability of not having to buy them, just like Odyssey).

I believe that this would make most players happy, except a few people where I don't understand what would actually make them happy. Ok, I know of a certain infamous YT streamer that his business model is <redacted>.

I guess the main hurdle for FDev is to obtain the internal development budget and actually do it because it poses a certain risk.
I reckon if they looked at interiors as a possible feature, all the rework needed (exterior modelling such as scaling, entry points, cockpit level of detail and scaling) probably put them off.
 
Oh boy Starfield... agree the interiors in that game are top notch, unfortunately the ships don't really fly (outside the space 'arenas') so they feel more like houses... design wise though that's at least one feature that the devs did very well.

As for the game itself... now those would be 70 Euros I'd rather have back. Likely the last Beth game I'll ever buy, and unlike various other titles in the past I didn't even bother finishing the main quest. Utter tedium and the ship interiors are utterly wasted on it.
 
My idea (suggestion) is that if FDev is moving forward with interiors, they would make them only for the new SCO enabled ships (living with the outcry of players who want to fly the classic ships) first.
In a second step, they could rework some parts of the classic ships, if there was enough demand.
Monetization could work as follows: "Interiors DLC, including all new SCO ships", ARX based add-ons per classic ship.

Oof, you like living dangerously!
 
Oof, you like living dangerously!
Hehe :)
I can't think of any other 'low budget approach' to make interiors a possibility. Of course, I'd love to see them for all ships with full game play integrated but unless a random billionaire jumps in and funds that project (similar to Bezos with 'The Expanse') without expecting ROI, I don't see another way forward.

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