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Squadron 42 won't flop. It will never release. Three years ago I thought they would squirt something out, just to avoid investor liabilities, but now I don't think that it's possible even if Crobberts gave up all micromanagement.
Agreed and I think that this speaks to the heart of the issue, in that completing either game is now beyond them. Forget the original scope, the stretch goals and lofty ambitions, forget even plopping out an acceptable minimum viable product.

That endemic bugs remain year after year suggests that the core is a mess, the reintroduction of previous bugs suggests that source control is ineffective if it exists at all, and the whole mess shows that those in charge are incapable.

No matter the pretty screen shots that are available, the furment on their own forum and elsewhere tells the story of thirteen years of lies, obfuscation and failure. And along the way, some key folk have doubtlessly made themselves very wealthy by mining the hopes and dreams of generous backers who deserve so much more.
 
Chris Roberts makes feature creep promises at every Citizen Con. Microsoft doesn't want to rescue CIG. They don't want to put in the effort to finish a downscaled SC. The fans would revolt for breaking their promises and dreams.

If Squadron 42 flops then CIG will likely file for bankruptcy. Maybe an obscure Asian company acquires it for a low value like Tencent (Chinese) or Pearl Abyss (South-Korean, acquired CCP Games; the devs of Eve Online).
Talking of Cptn and Mrs Pugwash, have they been sighted recently, or are they laying low?
 

rootsrat

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Squadron 42 won't flop. It will never release. Three years ago I thought they would squirt something out, just to avoid investor liabilities, but now I don't think that it's possible even if Crobberts gave up all micromanagement.
I think it will release. If they redirected most of the resources to it (which seems to be the case), then they may actually finalise it, just to get it out of the door, because the investors demanded it (my speculation).

What quality will it be is anyone's guess tho :D

Personally I'd love for it to be a good game, because I paid for it 13 years ago and we don't particularly have many single player sci-fi FPS adventure games tbh.
 
Squadron 42 won't flop. It will never release. Three years ago I thought they would squirt something out, just to avoid investor liabilities, but now I don't think that it's possible even if Crobberts gave up all micromanagement.

They've got something. It's just deeply mediocre, and still unfinished. (And riddled with the legacies of poor production practices etc).

Given the investors have hung on for another round of insanity I'd imagine it's still being viewed as 'the first main pay day' though, so a reckoning is still out there. Unless the investors bail, CIG will have to dump something out eventually.

(GTA sucking up all the 2026 bandwidth probably bought CIG more time. But I doubt it levelled up the investor's delight ;))
 
Talking of Cptn and Mrs Pugwash, have they been sighted recently, or are they laying low?

Sandi got quietly reinstalled into a senior marketing role in the last year or so.

And just slid back into public view the other day at that Vegas fan meet:

Source: https://youtu.be/gFzWIvhqDkU?si=10Cy5uI5z2d7qldT&t=941


That's the only bit worth listening too. Just bonus confirmation that all the publishers told CR to sling his hook back in 2011 ;)

The rest of it is all non-apologies for marketing strategies and 'the best thing about the game is the fans' folderol on a loop...
 
People talking about playing ED instead of SC and not getting dogpiled for it.


Seems to be happening more and more in threads on Spectrum. Remember when it was more the other way around? People saying they left ED for SC? Just goes to show, FD putting the effort in is helping them and CIG messing up over and over is finally biting them in the rear end.

More negativity


and more


and more


and... oh, no, someone actually thanking the devs!


Well, at least they tried.
 
Bet those publishers are feeling pretty foolish now!

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Viajero

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The last official figures we have from CIG saw a 30% drop in total playtime.
Yes. This is worth reminding. According to their own numbers SC active population has been dropping quite fast, and the new accounts creation count dropped even faster in 2023 and 2024.

And that is according to their own unaudited "tracker". Now imagine what the real number must be.
 
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Viajero

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I think it will release. If they redirected most of the resources to it (which seems to be the case), then they may actually finalise it, just to get it out of the door, because the investors demanded it (my speculation).

What quality will it be is anyone's guess tho :D

Personally I'd love for it to be a good game, because I paid for it 13 years ago and we don't particularly have many single player sci-fi FPS adventure games tbh.
I mean, they could also "release" SC right now, and be done with it ("release" as in leaving early access). So yeah, I am pretty sure they can release "something" and call it SQ42.

I think the gist of it is that many believe SQ42 would be as bad if not worst than the current SC state. And, if that is correct, I suspect Chris Roberts (asuming he is still in charge and not overridden by the Calders or someone else) will not release that.

Given SC early access seems to allegedly be working so well commercially I suspect CIG may be also considering releasing SQ42 in some form of early access, say a prelude, like a single mission or couple missions (tutorial and first mission etc) or some such very limited partial thing. And given it would be in early access CIG could explain why the thing is still broken.

If it was a regular release that "prelude" would really need to be extremely good and superpolished, otherwise the reviews would destroy it (just a mission and broken?! After a billion dollars and 15 years?!). If there is any chance this is not really achievable I suspect they would not release even that. And if it was just "meh" it may not produce the sales needed for the long term.

Much easier to just continue extracting money with an eternal early access until everyone forgets and the thing dies of old age. Pretty sure Chris Roberts has already started planning his exit strategy in some gracious form (health/family priorities, age/retiring, leaving SC in "good hands" etc etc etc).
 
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rootsrat

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Sandi got quietly reinstalled into a senior marketing role in the last year or so.

And just slid back into public view the other day at that Vegas fan meet:

Source: https://youtu.be/gFzWIvhqDkU?si=10Cy5uI5z2d7qldT&t=941


That's the only bit worth listening too. Just bonus confirmation that all the publishers told CR to sling his hook back in 2011 ;)

The rest of it is all non-apologies for marketing strategies and 'the best thing about the game is the fans' folderol on a loop...
I've never actually listened to any interviews with her ever, but listening to that clip I immediately got a strong vibe of dishonesty. Not sure what it is, the sound of her voice, the body language, not sure. But the first thought that came to mind was "watch out, dishonest person". No offence, she might be the paragon of justice of course. But still, the first impression/feeling was just ugh.
 
Yes. This is worth reminding. According to their own numbers SC active population has been dropping quite fast, and the new accounts creation count dropped even faster in 2023 and 2024.

And that is according to their own unaudited "tracker". Now imagine what the real number must be.

But funding is up, implying people are still spending on new ships even when not playing (which would be strange) or fewer players are now spending even more (which is crazy). The other explanation is CIG are fudging the numbers to look healthier than they are, and that would not surprise me in the slightest.
 

rootsrat

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I've never actually listened to any interviews with her ever, but listening to that clip I immediately got a strong vibe of dishonesty. Not sure what it is, the sound of her voice, the body language, not sure. But the first thought that came to mind was "watch out, dishonest person". No offence, she might be the paragon of justice of course. But still, the first impression/feeling was just ugh.

There has to be an element of dishonesty to set yourself up as Head of HR and Head of Marketing when your qualifications are a degree in marine biology and your work experience is as an actor.
 
But funding is up, implying people are still spending on new ships even when not playing (which would be strange) or fewer players are now spending even more (which is crazy). The other explanation is CIG are fudging the numbers to look healthier than they are, and that would not surprise me in the slightest.

* Insert 'why not all three?' Chrissy *

There definitely are a ton of 'model collector' guys who barely play. You see them commenting after every patch drops. They just log in to walk around their latest toy, maybe cruise over a planet. Then log off because the actual gameplay is so clearly not at dream tier.

And the long-termers who only managed to restrain their money under the 'NoCashTilPyro' banner have slobbered happily over the store again now faith has been restored ;)

But yeah, no way to know the scale of either faction.
 
I've never actually listened to any interviews with her ever, but listening to that clip I immediately got a strong vibe of dishonesty. Not sure what it is, the sound of her voice, the body language, not sure. But the first thought that came to mind was "watch out, dishonest person". No offence, she might be the paragon of justice of course. But still, the first impression/feeling was just ugh.
 
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