Request: Cobra Wireframe Paintjob another sell window ?

Fenris Wolf

Fenris Wolf
Systrom said:
ah screw it .. if its that much of a "idealistic" approach then i dont want it anymore. Posing was not my intention anyway , just enjoying its beauty and not is rarity
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That is a bit of a "Toys out of the pram" attitude you have there!

But how would you feel if they started offering the 'alpha/beta' incentives to anyone who wants them? It is the same with limited skins.

They are there for a limited time and then... gone.
 

insanephoton

insanephoton
I agree with the general sentiment that 'limited' means limited but for the sake of being devil's advocate I'd say there's nothing to preclude FD from offering something similar but not the same, which may or may not be a limited edition. Maybe a 'reverse/negative' version with white body and black 'wireframe' a black with red trim 'bloodline' version and hey if the game is still going for the 50th anniversary have one in midnight blue and gold.
 

Systrom

Systrom
Fenris Wolf said:
That is a bit of a "Toys out of the pram" attitude you have there!

But how would you feel if they started offering the 'alpha/beta' incentives to anyone who wants them? It is the same with limited skins.

They are there for a limited time and then... gone.
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I say yes ! do it , make it the same prize as the backers paid ! totally fine.
One time "limited" edition is a ugly way to make things "rare" and sad specially if those things are beautifull and are there tobe enjoyed.

I underestimated the value desperate people take in falling for the "its rare, so its good" trick. It feels they take a bigger joy in having rare things rather then enjoying the beauty.

So just count me to other group who will not pay for rarity but for beauty
 

Zenicetus

Zenicetus
insanephoton said:
I agree with the general sentiment that 'limited' means limited but for the sake of being devil's advocate I'd say there's nothing to preclude FD from offering something similar but not the same, which may or may not be a limited edition. Maybe a 'reverse/negative' version with white body and black 'wireframe' a black with red trim 'bloodline' version and hey if the game is still going for the 50th anniversary have one in midnight blue and gold.
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Yeah, I thought about the reverse negative, but that kind of thing is a delicate line to walk without upsetting the LE buyers. I think they'd be better off sticking with one classic Wireframe skin and offering it for other ship models. I'd buy one right now for an Asp.

Besides, there is so much untapped potential for other cool skins. Anyone think a skull-and-crossbones theme (or several different ones) wouldn't sell for the Viper and Cobra? It's perfect for both pirates and false-flag bounty hunters. They had just better not touch the Imperial Clipper. I can't see that in anything but gleaming white. Anything else would be tacky.
 

Titus Balls

Titus Balls
Systrom said:
I say yes ! do it , make it the same prize as the backers paid ! totally fine.
One time "limited" edition is a ugly way to make things "rare" and sad specially if those things are beautifull and are there tobe enjoyed.

I underestimated the value desperate people take in falling for the "its rare, so its good" trick. It feels they take a bigger joy in having rare things rather then enjoying the beauty.

So just count me to other group who will not pay for rarity but for beauty
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Sir, if you look at the Cobra skin you will notice that it was a "30th Anniversary Limited Edition". Said 30th Anniversary has past, and as such it will not be sold again.

Also you seem to be saying that the people who happened to be in the right place at the right time and did pay £10 for the skin should not be allowed to keep it for themselves as a special item? That it should be depreciated in value by a "second printing" of it?

You might not appreciate the rarity, but some of us do.
 

Jorlin

Jorlin
Still didn't get me a single paintjob.

This is something i reseve for a ship i think it will be my "home" for quite a time.
At the moment it would be the Asp...no paintings available.

I'll skip the whole thing until gamma or release.
If i ever get me some painting, then it's for a ship i want to keep, that has earned a gift.
 

MrVibrating

MrVibrating
I hope it becomes available again - although i'd rather pay with in-game credits. And further, it should be available for all the classic ships, too..

Failing that, allow custom skins so the rest of us can make our own.

Lotta folks gonna be peeved (like me and OP) that the game has so many time-dependent windows of oppportunity already, be it these skins, or storyboard naratives, that we'll be missing out on for one reason or another (whether cash-flow issues, or playing solo mode while learning the ropes, or whatever). These 'special one time only!' offers undermine the value of the game for everyone else.

This was bad enough in FFE, where the story arc was tied to the game's calendar, and if you missed these events then you'd have no choice but to restart from scratch in order to play them. But doing the same thing in online MP prevents us even having this opportunity to rewind the clock; and pay-to-play, doubly so.

If you look at GTA 5, by comparison, nobody's got any such advantages of free time or disposable wonga. It's a level playing field for everyone, from in-game assets to story arcs. Everyone gets a shot, on their own terms. I fear Frontier are gonna end up leaving lots of players feeling short-changed on their current course..
 

Vjornaxx

Vjornaxx
Since this thread got resurrected, I gotta ask - Everyone who bought the limited edition flag skins on the first run, do you feel legitimately cheated?
 

kwik

kwik
about the cobra skin, I don't want to see it back, it was very specific for the 30th anniversary.

The flag skins I can actually accept, despite the fact I could have saved money by waiting (I think they should have come back at full price, not discount).
The reason I can accept the flag skins is because there are a lot of them - and we have a lot of new players around, they want to get something unique too, and something meaningful to themselves :)
 

Javert

Volunteer Moderator
Javert
How about Frontier put the proposal out to the community - can we put the wireframe paint job on sale again if we give half the proceeds to charity?
 

QuantumTron

Q
I object.

I bought the Cobra wireframe paintjob because it was a special 30th Anniversary Limited Edition one. Re-opening that particular one for sale would devalue it. It should remain sacrosanct. Plus at £10 it was expensive for a paint job, which I paid my limited funds for, precisely because I'm an 84'er and precisely because it has special meaning for me and others who grew up with Elite.

Listen, I missed Kickstarter, you don't see me asking FDEV to resurrect the KS so I can get into the DDF and private forums <--- I missed that one. Do I whine about it? Nope.

Please, please FDEV do not do this.

Produce wireframe paintjobs for the other shps? No problem. But please keep the Cobra one to have the meaning you implied when you put it out there originally!
 

Drank11

Drank11
I remember reading this somewhere about them bringing it back on there next anniversary I'd say make 60th not sure but would make sense, i have every single one but the wireframe.
 

MrVibrating

MrVibrating
QuantumTron said:
I object.

I bought the Cobra wireframe paintjob because it was a special 30th Anniversary Limited Edition one. Re-opening that particular one for sale would devalue it. It should remain sacrosanct. Plus at £10 it was expensive for a paint job, which I paid my limited funds for, precisely because I'm an 84'er and precisely because it has special meaning for me and others who grew up with Elite.

Listen, I missed Kickstarter, you don't see me asking FDEV to resurrect the KS so I can get into the DDF and private forums <--- I missed that one. Do I whine about it? Nope.

Please, please FDEV do not do this.

Produce wireframe paintjobs for the other shps? No problem. But please keep the Cobra one to have the meaning you implied when you put it out there originally!
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But it has the same 'personal' value to me - i have my original boxed 5.25" boxed edition and cassette to prove it (and BBC Master to play 'em on, plus Amiga version, Amiga FE2 etc.), yet i have to make all my online purchases with a pre-pay card which i can only very rarely afford to use. I joined this forum as soon as it opened back in 2006, and was a regular on A.F.E for a decade beforehand.. i drooled over the wireframe paintjob when it was announced but didn't have the spare cash then..

So from my point of view you've recieved an in-game perk purely for being wealthier than i. I have to pay for such commodities as special treats, as and when i'm able. But just because you can click and spend without such handicaps, you think i'm less deserving? That you've earned in-game a badge of exclusivity that i should be denied?

Special perks for high-paying founders are one thing (whether that's access to the founder's world, decals or wotnot), but i've been saying for years how cool it'd be to have wireframe paintjobs in E4. I rememebr making one partcular post, years ago, relating how, as a kid, wireframe paintjobs was how i rationalised the graphics in classic Elite, that i'd sometimes look to the night sky and daydream how cool it would be if a wireframe cobra flew down and landed before me, and the hatch opened, stairs unfolding, beckoning me.. eat-your-heart-out Last Starfighter-style... so for all i know, maybe i inspired the idea?

But yeah, no, you're right; you deserve it more than me. I'm unworthy, purely by dint of being occassionally cash-strapped. And maybe, if i hadn't spent so much time in-game i'd have a better paying career now? But no, whatever, you deserve your special badge of exclusiveness. I'm just a fly-by-night cowboy - and you're a proper devotee, aren't you. Well done you.

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CATPAIN KIRK

CATPAIN KIRK
I personally wouldn't mind as much, since I bought it mostly as a gesture to spend the devs a pint (or two) on Elites anniversary. I like the skin and I don't lose anything if someone else has the opportunity to buy it. It's not like I expect to resell it like an unopened 1978 vinyl capped jawa.

I understand there are a lot of people who bought it as an anniversary item they like to show off in the future, so I understand quite a few people would be rather angry if it happened.
 

MrVibrating

MrVibrating
The thing is, it's not even going to have the same appeal to newcomers - only us oldskool would even understand its significance. Can't we make it an 'anniversary year' thing, rather than just a month? Rewarding players for simply having slightly more pocket money is discriminating against us lower-class riff raff. Sniff.
 

Corwyn

C
It'd be devalued if they brought it back, it should remain as is, limited, a collectors item.

I am typically cash strapped too. I've got a family to feed, house, cloth. I live pay check to pay check, but if there's something I want, I find a way, or do without it.

No offense meant, but if it was important enough to you, you would have found a way. It's not unfair for it to remain limited, that's how it is. And life moves on.
 
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