General / Off-Topic Into Darkness: References for Trekkies

LOL, Cochrane was definitely alcoholic rather than syntheholic (since synthehol hadn't been discovered in Cochrane's time) - makes one think twice about going up in the Phoenix, huh?

The "Borg - sounds Swedish" character was Alfre Woodard's character Lily.

There were "gay" characters in Trek from TNG - or at least "sexually ambivalent". The episode was called a copout by the fans. It was called (thinking as I type) "The Outcast".

However, the first gay Enterprise crew member you refer to, Lieutenant Hawk, was never directly referred to or noted as gay in the scripts, and the concept is denied by the scriptwriters. He was retroactively "outed" during the revamp of the fictional universe in what have been called the "Post-Nemesis" novels. A Trill crewman on the USS Titan named Ranul Keru was in a relationship with him at the time of First Contact, and still mourns his passing a decade later. None of this is strictly canon, of course. Not casting aspersions, but the concept of Hawk's homesexuality was originally created by the writing team of Andy Mangels and Michael Martin, at least one of whom (Mangels) is openly gay.

Again, none of this looked up. I'd have to look up the book that originally introduced Hawk and Keru's relationship though.

The "Yesterdays Saga" is supposed to be really good, but it's one I haven't read yet. The concept never really grabbed me, but if it made bestseller lists then maybe it's worth a look!! :)

(and if you think this is scary, wait til I tell you how many bolts hold the Enterprise-D's bridge module onto the saucer...)
 
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I know when I've been out Trekkie'd and shall be referring anyone who calls me a Trek nerd to this thread in future - 'If you I'M bad you should see this guy' ;)
 
@Selezan, yes alcoholic: I'm afraid accuracy took second place to the chance to make a terrible joke (nothing new there!). Am I right in thinking George Takei is gay in real life? Never noticed it at the time (but then, I only started to wonder about Freddie Mercury after his "want to break free" video :eek: Your encyclopaedic knowledge is truly impressive!
@synchromesh, you should see my posts before the edits!!
@AndyB, yes I tried to use this argument to my wife, but she didn't seem that impressed for some reason!

Anyway, enjoy Eurovision everyone (where's the "being ironic" smily?)

p.s. Seriously, there is a thread on Eurovision on this forum? I take back any comments made about us being more mature, thoughtful, knowledgeable folk than other forums! (ok as a self-confessed Trekkie I'm maybe not in a position to judge others...)
 
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I'd rather dig my eyes out with a spoon and stuff them into my ears than listen to Eurovision. I headphoned it up whilst Mrs S watched it.

I did hear bits and pieces between my songs, and to be honest there were some sounds that sounded OK, but I put that down to overtiredness.

Oh, and incidentally. Number of rivets that hold the Enterprise-D's bridge section onto the saucer=320. ;)
 
Good head for useless facts there Selezen - 320 bolts huh! :)

Watched Into Darkness twice in the end - 3D and 2D - was awesome.

First time was was pure excitement and "ooh ahhh"
Second time round to catch the things I missed 1st time round :D

Deffo one for Blu-Ray when it comes out.

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Re Eurovision - completely pointless if you ask me - all voting and turned from something fun into a complete joke ... Nothing wrong with singing as I likes a good musical but EV .. pain to my ears :(
 
p.s. Seriously, there is a thread on eurovision on this forum? I take back any comments made about us being more mature, thoughtful, knowledgeable folk than other forums! (ok as a self-confessed trekkie i'm maybe not in a position to judge others...)

*blows raspberyy*
 
I never understood this "spoiler" button. I clicked, and it shows nothing and hides nothing. It nothing happens. Apparently it does not work. I tried on several messages for weeks now

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Probably a bad time to say I thought ST:ID was a pretty poor sequel.

I really liked Star Trek (2009) and thought that JJA and team had produced a film that would allow them to explore a completely different path to the original series and movies.

Then they did ST:ID and it was a rehash of old ground...

It was a pity because the first 45 minutes showed real promise, with good dialogue, Bruce Greenwood made a welcome return as Chris Pike and you started to get a vibe of the old Kirk/Spock relationship from Chris Pine and Zak Quinto.

Ultimately though it lacked empathy and pathos, the characters were reduced to sound-bite one liners, mainly to justify the next action sequence. By the end of the 2nd hour I was suffering from peril-fatigue.

It wasn't a complete disaster, Benedict Cumberbatch was excellent and a I really enjoyed the larger role of Simon Pegg as Montgomery Scott but I came out slightly underwhelmed.

I hope that the 3rd film (cos there will be one) makes better use of the broad canvas that the re-boot promised.
 
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Having just got back from a day at the cinema I've got to say i liked it

you could say they were going over old ground but I'd say they were more drawing on source materiel, Mud, tribbles & Khan are all staples of TOS lore. the script writers could do with a few lessons in suspense though as it was too easy to predict what would happen next.
 
I totally Agree Andy, it was not a movie too hard to be ahead of.

Still GREAT fun..

I also saw Fast and Furious 6.. much better than the rest.. STILL some very UNREALISTIC stunts that make you GUFFAW.. but overall a good no brains involved action movie...

Could be better..... I still yearn for another action movie with everything..

I LOVE STARSHIP TROOPERS - Robocop immersion, GOOD actions.. average acting ... Sequals REALLY push the acting levels LOW..
 
It had sparks of quality but for the most part it seemed like one big excuse to crash from action sequence to action sequence with (as seems to be the norm now) boring CGI "stunts" that are so ludicrous you have no connection with the people involved or the supposed danger they face. The Hobbit was the worst for that but this wasn't far off.

As others have said, the characters and actors are a pretty decent emsemble and could really pull out something special given a script that wasn't just a vehicle for endless boring CGI action sequences. It'll rake in the money though so I guess it's "job done".

IMHO. :p
 
Then they did ST:ID and it was a rehash of old ground...

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Ultimately though it lacked empathy and pathos, the characters were reduced to sound-bite one liners, mainly to justify the next action sequence. By the end of the 2nd hour I was suffering from peril-fatigue.

Sorry - my rebuttal of the learned gentleman above must be hidden.
Interestingly, the first point there that you list as a flaw I saw as a bonus. The rehash was a necessary hark back to an original storyline that a HUGE number of fans wanted to see, and rather than "rehash" the original storyline they made it COMPLETELY different! Other than the initial setup for that character's presence, the discovery and presence of that character and his crew were handled completely differently, and provide a HUGE contrast between the way the original universe Kirk handled the situation and how another, more militaristic mind handled it.

And I disagree with the lack of empathy and pathos - especially where Spock DIRECTLY mind-melded with Pike as he died and experienced that death - the conversation with Uhura about that showed that Spock's emotions are really writhing like snakes inside him since the death of his world and his mum and that he's ready to explode. The interesting setup for the future is that Spock has had an emotional rollercoaster much earlier in his life than Spock Prime, and hasn't had time to fully learn to control his feelings - which has been a common thread through both films in a subtle way.

The "rehashed" "saved the ship" scene was full of the same feelings and emotions as the original and garnered the same reaction from me with that added frisson of it being the other way round. Well written, well executed and different enough to be fascinating, to coin a phrase.
So there. :)
 
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