Request: Cobra Wireframe Paintjob another sell window ?
- Thread starter Systrom
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Yes i would feel cheated. And would never trust FD again or buy another skin.
Because i bought it because it was a one time oppertunity.
If they bring it back i can guarantee they will loose a lot of confidense from all the former buyers.
Would you trust a guy you know is lying ? and cheated you before. just saying if it happens what i don't think it ever will.
They made a little slip with the viper and corrected it ASAP
that would be a waste, and it would still be considered going back on their word. They'd lose the trust and respect of those that bought the 30th Anniversary wireframe.
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If they do, they'll lose many future sales, and get lambasted but those they're doing it for.
Twisting words to mean what you WANT them to mean, rather than what they DO mean, is kinda childish, no?
Just stating that they can do that,different colour every year if they wanted.
They already doing it with the silver and now gold viper.
They still need to make money no matter what.Also it's stupid to make it for the limited few when the game is not even released yet.
Anyway It's not like this company have never gone back on there words now is it.
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They could, but it wouldn't match the whole idea behind it. It's to look like the cobra from the 1984 version of Elite, that's white lines on a black background, that's a logo, and a trademark. It represents the 1984 version of the game, something that holds special meaning to those that played the game back then. It was put out only during the 30th anniversary, as a celebration of the old game, and the new.
The gold viper doesn't have the same meaning, or, any meaning at all for that matter. It's also not listed as "Limited Edition", because it's not. The silver is no longer on the store, so apparently that was limited, I don't remember if it said it or not. Either way, they still don't have the historic background that the wireframe cobra skin does
Yes, they do need to make money, and they will, with other things, but not this, they wouldn't sully the meaning of it by colorizing it, that would taint the meaning and memory of Elite.
I haven't seen them go back on their word at all, So your statement means nothing.
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I guess offline mode was all a dream then.
Oh i guess the flag ships was as well as they was suppose to be limited.
Like i said if they want to do the wireframe cobra next year for 31st anniversary then there's nothing stopping them doing that.maybe in a different colour though.
They did not say no one can have it ever again.
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Yes, it was, they tried to do it, but it didn't work out. They had hoped they could, but, such things happen in development.
It doesn't say Limited Edition on the store, even for the flag skins. It did for the wireframe.
Actually, they said it was a Limited Edition, that means exactly what it says, Limited, once it's gone, it's gone, no more available. Please, stop twisting words.
Limited edition, in physical terms.
If they produced 10,000 items of 'limited edition'
And only wanted to sell 1000
Then they can release another 1000 later on, again labeled limited edition.
The point I'm making is Limited edition does not mean , "once its gone it gone"
Thats just speculation assuming and wilfull thinking on your part.
When it comes to a digital version, of course , its not a physical quantity, but again they might have decided on an 'actual number they would sell, maybe, 10,000 or 100,000.
You dont know how many?
"Limited edition for a time only", still does not give you exclusivity.
Another time they might release more of this limited quantity. It depends on what amount they decided on as limited.
"Limited quantity, limited amount, only 5000 will be released , ever,"
That sounds better doesnt it , as a proposition.
But what happens if they bring out a wireframe skin in another colour. Yellow, blue, both very 'elity'colours
Its all for your egos, you cant even see them yourself in game, enjoy them flying around.
Ive had some custom paint jobs in others sims, it doesnt make the game. In some cases it ruins the game. Pink spotted Spitfires and bf109s, spring to mind. At least they were free.
I want to support the game going forward, so I may buy something, because I care for Elites progression going forward. But lets not get carried away, eh boys and girls.
If they produced 10,000 items of 'limited edition'
And only wanted to sell 1000
Then they can release another 1000 later on, again labeled limited edition.
The point I'm making is Limited edition does not mean , "once its gone it gone"
Thats just speculation assuming and wilfull thinking on your part.
When it comes to a digital version, of course , its not a physical quantity, but again they might have decided on an 'actual number they would sell, maybe, 10,000 or 100,000.
You dont know how many?
"Limited edition for a time only", still does not give you exclusivity.
Another time they might release more of this limited quantity. It depends on what amount they decided on as limited.
"Limited quantity, limited amount, only 5000 will be released , ever,"
That sounds better doesnt it , as a proposition.
But what happens if they bring out a wireframe skin in another colour. Yellow, blue, both very 'elity'colours
Its all for your egos, you cant even see them yourself in game, enjoy them flying around.
Ive had some custom paint jobs in others sims, it doesnt make the game. In some cases it ruins the game. Pink spotted Spitfires and bf109s, spring to mind. At least they were free.
I want to support the game going forward, so I may buy something, because I care for Elites progression going forward. But lets not get carried away, eh boys and girls.
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You'll never convince the people who want to feel 'special' that limited does not mean one time only Pyelot - you'll have more success banging your head against the wall. There are those people in this life who will cry over something as silly as an imaginary design on a pixellated ship if they think it threatens their deluded image of being somehow better than everyone else. Sad but true 
Robert Maynard
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Up to the date of the 30th anniversary of the game.
From Newsletter #41:
Elite: Dangerous Newsletter #41 said:
You'll never convince the people who want to feel 'special' that limited does not mean one time only Pyelot - you'll have more success banging your head against the wall. There are those people in this life who will cry over something as silly as an imaginary design on a pixellated ship if they think it threatens their deluded image of being somehow better than everyone else. Sad but true
And you'll never convince people who missed out on a limited time offer that they don't have the right to get in on it too.
As I said earlier in this thread... I bought the Wireframe skin on the last day that it was available. It was horribly overpriced. If it hadn't been dangled in front of me as "last chance to buy" I wouldn't have bought it. It has nothing to do with a sense of superiority. It has to do with a sense of being cheated. If FD offers the design up for sale again it would mean that they lied to me to get me to make my purchase when I did.
You said,
There are those people in this life who will cry over something as silly as an imaginary design on a pixellated ship if they think it threatens their deluded image of being somehow better than everyone else. Sad but true
That is so true. Look at all the people crying over having not purchased this particular design when it was made available... and almost demanding that it go on sale again because they are entitled due to this or that reason. The Wireframe skin is not going to make you a better pilot and in reality is probably the ugliest in-game skin. They only people who really think its cool are those of us who played the original Elite in the 80s.
Except in this case where FD specifically stated that it would not be sold after September 30th. The whole point of this paint job was to celebrate the 30th Anniversary of Elite. Releasing it again would not only degrade its perceived value it would also undercut the original intent of celebrating the 30th Anniversary.
If FD were to rerelease the skin then it had better be along with an apology to all those who originally purchased it and with a voucher to purchase other store items. As more people come into the game after release there is going to be a growing demand for these Limited Edition skins as players see other players sporting them in game. FD might need to tap into that demand to generate revenue. If they have to do that to keep the game alive... well you have to do what you have to do, right? Like I said... it better come with an apology and some attempt to "make it right."
It doesn't matter how big of a wall of text you produce, it does not change the fact that the wireframe paintjob was touted as a "30th Anniversary Limited Edition". This isn't the same as "Limited Edition" in any respect - the Cobra wireframe paintjob had additional qualifiers of '30th Anniversary' and '10-day celebration' - and the other posters here either aren't reading through the whole thread, otherwise they'd have seen me point this out to them already, or they are ignoring this galactic-sized elephant in the room.
The flag paintjobs weren't touted as being part of the 30th Anniversary 10-day celebrations, so in some ways Frontier had a bit more leeway to re-release those flag paintjobs for sale - and look how the pitchforks and burning torches were raised for them doing that.
What if they make a "31th Anniversary Limited Edition" next year? Unlikely, yes, but still very possible.
As for people raising pitchforks, I find it kind of childish to protest for the sole reason of keeping things only for themselves.
It's not a greed issue on the part of special snowflake players; it's FD's street cred, dude. You can't sell stuff to people in shifty ways, because then people don't buy things from you anymore. It's really simple. They shiftied the second coming of flags through admitted incompetence. They can't really be intentionally incompetent next time or nobody will buy anything they offer as a trust issue. I'd rather they didn't stab a revenue stream in the foot by making it discreditable.
Also. 31st. Pedantic, I know, but still.
"31st"
If FDEV did re-release the cobra wireframe paintjob for a 31st anniversary, then they'd still be held liable for it. I'll repeat what I said: FDEV released a Wireframe Paint Job for the Cobra, which was on sale for a limited time, as part of a 10 day celebration of the 30th anniversary of the release of Elite. They were quite specific about that.
The context and wording of that paintjob sale unequivocally meant that it was a unique paintjob solely as part of that 30th anniversary celebration. I fail to see which part of any of that is beyond anyone's comprehension.
I suggest your "findings" are based on a false premise, or a misunderstanding of the motives behind people deciding whether or not to purchase pretty much anything at the time these items are available.
MY motives to purchase the wireframe paintjob were;
0) I'm an '84'er - I grew up with Elite, and Frontier: Elite II
1) Oh look at that it's so cool and reminds me of the original Elite!
2) Fitting that it's part of the 30th anniversary celebrations - nice idea FDEV!
3) Oh look it's only on sale for a limited period during those 10 days of celebration. Hmm it's £10, I'll need to think about it. *2 days later* "I just had to buy it! You have defeated me, FDEV!"
So, when you see me and others objecting to it being back on sale, it's not a case of being selfish. Selfishness is NOT the problem here. The problem is that some people just cannot seem to accept that they've missed the boat for whatever reason. The reason is irrelevent - whether they didn't have enough spare cash at the time, whether they arrived into the game after the 30th anniversary celebrations, and so on. Irrelevent. The ship has sailed.
Stop with the "selfishness" thing already. It's just completely and utterly wrong.
MorkFromOrk
Banned
I generally see both sides of an argument. I was a bit miffed to see the flags go in 'limited' sale again so soon. It was a bit of a kick in the teeth to do it at half price. However, FD are a business and the word limited can be seen in different ways.
However.....
something only available able for the 30th Anniversary and sold at a premium should stay that way. I would like to see a definitive statement from FD on this so that we have a clear understanding.
I ONLY paid for this because it was clear to me that this would be the ONLY opportunity EVER to own this skin. If this is not adhered to by FD then I will lose all goodwill, never purchase another item and argue for a full refund to every person that bought during that event.
FD I have a realistic level of faith in you. You have tested that faith recently. Please help to confirm that faith with a definitive statement on this topic.
However.....
something only available able for the 30th Anniversary and sold at a premium should stay that way. I would like to see a definitive statement from FD on this so that we have a clear understanding.
I ONLY paid for this because it was clear to me that this would be the ONLY opportunity EVER to own this skin. If this is not adhered to by FD then I will lose all goodwill, never purchase another item and argue for a full refund to every person that bought during that event.
FD I have a realistic level of faith in you. You have tested that faith recently. Please help to confirm that faith with a definitive statement on this topic.