Rares no longer being stocked????

[Tuzmaal]

What you "rare traders" dont get is that Frontier dont want you to earn an Anaconda every 2 days which is understandable because you would be the ones who yelling for more endgame content in a month, bored to death with bank accounts others can only dream off and a shipyard full off fully A-rated kitted ships. Get over it, your golden age is over, earn money at a rate 99% of the community does. And if I was Frontier I would cicle the stations/systems rare stuff apears every 24 hours because rare stuff should be rare. Let the neg rep party begin

 

[Arkku]

For the record, my suggested way to balance trading rares would be a combination of the following:

1) make the sell price also depend on demand, i.e., you'll saturate a destination if you sell large quantities there
2) increase required distance for maximum profit (e.g., to 200 LY)
3) increase stock of rares available at one time (e.g., to about 100 tons) but make the restock time long (possibly a day or more)
4) rename them "uniques" so we can stop hearing the tried old argument based on multiple meanings of "rare" (as if the name somehow necessitated certain game mechanics)

edit, and:

5) buff other sources of income while increasing risk/challenge for all high-income activities, rather than nerf them all to a dull grind

 

[1500]

What you "rare traders" dont get is that Frontier dont want you to earn an Anaconda every 2 days which is understandable because you would be the ones who yelling for more endgame content in a month, bored to death with bank accounts others can only dream off and a shipyard full off fully A-rated kitted ships. Get over it, your golden age is over, earn money at a rate 99% of the community does. And if I was Frontier I would cicle the stations/systems rare stuff apears every 24 hours because rare stuff should be rare.

LOL said by someone that did not read the thread, or understand the nerf.

It is completely possible to make more income doing local trading in less time, then what you could make selling rares.

 

[Swan]

What you "rare traders" dont get is that Frontier dont want you to earn an Anaconda every 2 days which is understandable because you would be the ones who yelling for more endgame content in a month, bored to death with bank accounts others can only dream off and a shipyard full off fully A-rated kitted ships. Get over it, your golden age is over, earn money at a rate 99% of the community does. And if I was Frontier I would cicle the stations/systems rare stuff apears every 24 hours because rare stuff should be rare.

Again, you could earn no more through rare trading than through normal trading. It conferred no advantage whatsoever because of the waiting times involved.

 

[Tuzmaal]

LOL said by someone that did not read the thread, or understand the nerf.

It is completely possible to make more income doing local trading in less time, then what you could make selling rares.

Well, I know a place that was in 1 jump range from each other selling rares, so collect, jump, collect, jump back, collect, no waiting game as many tell. Abused these 2 systems could have earned you a fortune.
You guys really think Frontier is pulling stats out of the magix 8-ball ? There is something like BI Software in the gameing industry to monitor such stuff and when players wallets explode compared to others they sure look how they doing it.

 

[Khushrenada]

Well, I know a place that was in 1 jump range from each other selling rares, so collect, jump, collect, jump back, collect, no waiting game as many tell. Abused these 2 systems could have earned you a fortune.

lol... ok you clearly don`t understand how the system works...

rare commodities are only worth trading if you transport them at least 160ly away from the port that you bought it, just saying.

but then you might just be trolling...

 

[Swan]

But the profits for this hypothetical location would've been the same, perhaps less, than a prog cell/gold run because of the short distance.

 

[1500]

Well, I know a place that was in 1 jump range from each other selling rares, so collect, jump, collect, jump back, collect, no waiting game as many tell. Abused these 2 systems could have earned you a fortune.

Like I said, you do not understand the problem or the nerf.

Rare's value goes up the more distance you take it, with the best prices at 160ly+. Going one jump would get you next to nothing, that and having to wait 10min for a load of 4-12 to show up would mean you would make nothing.

 

[Avnas]

If it stops the ridiculous practice of buy 10, wait 15 minutes, refresh and buy 10 more, I'm all for it. Play the game, don't exploit it. You're not supposed to "finish" the game in 4 days.

waiting for items to refresh is a core mechanic of every MMO and i've grinded cash like that in plenty of games

 

[Tuzmaal]

lol... ok you clearly don`t understand how the system works...

rare commodities are only worth trading if you transport them at least 160ly away from the port that you bought it, just saying.

but then you might just be trolling...

I know, but with the systems I know you can fill your Type 6 in half the time as both "rare" traders were in 1 jump range, when filled you do your 160ly trade run whoppdywoo. Got it now ?

 

[Arkku]

Going one jump would get you next to nothing, that and having to wait 10min for a load of 4-12 to show up would mean you would make nothing.

I think he meant doing, e.g., the Leesti/Lave/Zaonce/Diso/Orrere round (total 6 rares in these systems, all within 1 jump from every other) to stock up, then taking the whole lot 160 LY away.

 

[Tuzmaal]

Like I said, you do not understand the problem or the nerf.

Rare's value goes up the more distance you take it, with the best prices at 160ly+. Going one jump would get you next to nothing, that and having to wait 10min for a load of 4-12 to show up would mean you would make nothing.

I know, but with the systems I know you can fill your Type 6 in half the time as both "rare" traders were in 1 jump range, when filled you do your 160ly trade run whoppdywoo. Got it now ?

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I think he meant doing, e.g., the Leesti/Lave/Zaonce/Diso/Orrere round (total 6 rares in these systems, all within 1 jump from every other) to stock up, then taking the whole lot 160 LY away.

You got it have a +rep for brain use.

 

[1500]

I know, but with the systems I know you can fill your Type 6 in half the time as both "rare" traders were in 1 jump range, when filled you do your 160ly trade run whoppdywoo. Got it now ?

No you don't get it, you still have to wait ten min for each one to respawn, meaning that even if you are jumping back and forth between them you are just halfing the time. You can still make more then that doing normal trade runs.

You might want put more information into your posts that people have a chance of understanding what you are saying, sense what you said and what you mean do not seem to be the same thing.

 

[Swan]

I think he meant doing, e.g., the Leesti/Lave/Zaonce/Diso/Orrere round (total 6 rares in these systems, all within 1 jump from every other) to stock up, then taking the whole lot 160 LY away.

I get it now. That's a problem with distribution as opposed to the mechanic though. One could argue the same when having six nearby systems to grind prog cells/gold/superconductors/metal missions/coffee runs. Should those be removed too, as that'd pay a lot more than rares in the same time window.

 

[Tuzmaal]

1500, read ARKKU`s post and learn.

 

[1500]

1500, read ARKKU`s post and learn.

LOL after it took two clarification posts and another person figuring out what you really mean, ya it is all on me. If you want people to understand your point, you might want to actually say it and not something that could be read wrong. But heck keep insulting other posters for your inability to get your point across.

 

[Darkwolf]

Basically - stop patching the game and leave us with the game we BOUGHT, not the one that some whiners want which causes idiotic devs to nerf things.

1984 was way better - you got to play the game you purchased.

Agree, in some respects. I play solo. I couldn't care a whit whether other people are making more or less profit than me. Therefore, nerfs to my game experience in the names of 'balance' really aggravate me. Much the same thinking as how PvE nerfs for PvP balance really bug me in MMOs.

While we're on it, I'd also like to express my aggravation in how Australians once again get the shaft when it comes to maintenance outages. That's another big reason why I wanted an offline singleplayer - so I wouldn't have my nightly primetime interrupted by maintenance outages.

Midday GMT is 10:30pm Daylight time where I am. 9:30pm the rest of the year. Oh, and games that have outages in the US West Coast early mornings? They're down Australian evenings too.

Yay.

 

[Khushrenada]

well putting that many rares in such close proximity is a design fault then...
post 1.01 or post 1.0 when i was in that systems, there was only one rare good and the next was like 100ly away.

i gonna have a look and see how many i can collect and if i manage to get 60 rares in that system we are looking at 1M profit, we better nerf them rares even further then.... sheesh...

 

[CmdrKull]

It is completely possible to make more income doing local trading in less time, then what you could make selling rares.

I don't fully disagree, but...
Let's assume Lakon 6. 160k profit for each loop of traditional goods (it's the current reality, maybe 200k once the bug is fixed). To match the 1.8m profit that Lakon could make in rares, you would have to supercruise from star to station at least 11 times. That makes you 11 times more likely to be interdicted, to crash into the station wall, or to hit a player that was hiding below the letter box for unknown reasons. Both routes would require fuel scooping after the same number of light years, so we can leave that out of our equation. Sitting in a station, slowly filling up rares, then making one long flight was maybe more fun for some, but it wasn't in balance. They're trying to fix the balance without removing rates completely (prediction: they WILL remove rares completely)

 

[Tuzmaal]

LOL after it took two clarification posts and another person figuring out what you really mean, ya it is all on me. If you want people to understand your point, you might want to actually say it and not something that could be read wrong. But heck keep insulting other posters for your inability to get your point across.

Sorry dude that english isnt the 1st language in every country of the world.

edit: On top comes that the old system could easily abused by a bot program, filling up your hauler over the day, sitting in total safety while you at work, or by some one with remote access to his comp from work just picking up the rares every 10min while others actually have to play the game to make their credits.