Why make the game easier?
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Edit: I forgot to quote the post I was referencing by William Blanchard: "I started out on the 16th. Today i'm at 300M in funds. I worked my butt off finding trade routes for myself. I've lost ships, outran ships, upgraded, downgraded..the game doesnt need to be dumbed down or made easier. I started out without an instruction book, and 1000 in cash. If you relax and focus, you can get things done. Use the forums, youtube, etc. All the help you need is there. I'm very happy it was hard at first, it makes it more satisfying to do it."
This sounds exactly like my experience, except I'm not rich. I started on the 16th as well, watched some streams before hand,but I've yet to lose a ship. I'm just flying around figuring out how everything works and after a few days it's all falling into place. I love it so far and I'm looking forward to where the game goes in the future. I think a lot of people are missing the point of the game, namely that it's a sim first and foremost and that things take time. It's not a super fast twitch shooter and you're not going to be able to hit triple elite status in a few days of hardcore play. Sorry folks, that's just the way the game works. I think a lot of people also have this idea that they, and they alone, can influence a faction or system enough to cause massive change and I don't think FD designed the game to work like that. There needs to be quite a few people in one place fighting for their causes to inflict significant change.
I'm flying around exploring and making small trades here and there, and to me this feels right. Space is huge. Space is empty. I'm an astronomy nerd too, so flying around and seeing the various stars up close or the neat vistas you can create when you position yourself around a planet is awe inspiring. I thought it might get old and samey but I still get excited when the SC countdown begins and I get puked out into a new system. Even if the system is just another red dwarf. Most of the stars out there are red dwarfs, so it makes finding the giant or even a yellow star that much more exciting.
This sounds exactly like my experience, except I'm not rich. I started on the 16th as well, watched some streams before hand,but I've yet to lose a ship. I'm just flying around figuring out how everything works and after a few days it's all falling into place. I love it so far and I'm looking forward to where the game goes in the future. I think a lot of people are missing the point of the game, namely that it's a sim first and foremost and that things take time. It's not a super fast twitch shooter and you're not going to be able to hit triple elite status in a few days of hardcore play. Sorry folks, that's just the way the game works. I think a lot of people also have this idea that they, and they alone, can influence a faction or system enough to cause massive change and I don't think FD designed the game to work like that. There needs to be quite a few people in one place fighting for their causes to inflict significant change.
I'm flying around exploring and making small trades here and there, and to me this feels right. Space is huge. Space is empty. I'm an astronomy nerd too, so flying around and seeing the various stars up close or the neat vistas you can create when you position yourself around a planet is awe inspiring. I thought it might get old and samey but I still get excited when the SC countdown begins and I get puked out into a new system. Even if the system is just another red dwarf. Most of the stars out there are red dwarfs, so it makes finding the giant or even a yellow star that much more exciting.
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Indeed .. my niece, bless her, showed me the medal she received for competing (but not winning anything) at the school games last summer .. I showed her my scar on my knee for the same .. it was lost on her and her grandma!
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There is nothing difficult or skillful about sitting through hundreds of hours of super cruise. All you need is unemployment, a non-existent social life and a general lack of self-worth.
Sargon, you say a lot of sensible things, and I find myself generally agreeing with much of what you say, however, unless you are a teacher, and trained to do that job, and have a couple of decades doing it under your belt, any observations are prone to potentially being half formed.
Society generally, and how kids deal with their lives is changing radically, not because of some PC (insert appropriate word here), that I personally do not subscribe to, but rather to how easily information and knowledge can be accessed.
Education as a whole in my country (UK) is a bit of a mess. A lot of that is down to politicians being a. Clueless and b. Short term orientated. Believe me, what I do every day is wrestle with how to develop strategies that fire up the kids, and are relevant to them in tomorrows world, not, and I am going to take a wild guess here, the 80's and 90's.
I remember being 16. Shallow as a puddle. Lacking in empathy. More interested in my hair and clothes. Wow! At least something stays exactly the same
Pretty passionate about what I do, so I broke my rule about talking about this sort of stuff. Forgive
Cheers
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You are absolutely correct! Docking is not difficult at all. I must say though that a docking computer taking up valuable ship systems space is the idea with the highest stupidity rating EVER! 250k creds to "upgrade" my flight computer would have been smart. Because I have to tell you, after docking over and over and over and over .... ad nauseam, I have found that docking is mere tedium and adds absolutely nothing to the game for me. If anything docking is becoming a game detractor for me now.
The chat system really does require more functionality, greater range and a MUCH better user interface.
Selecting the star I jump to in a multi-star system should have been implemented in the foundation of the game. To me this is a major Homer Simpson level oversight.
Having climbed a few mountains in my time, there are many groups that differ on weather you accomplished the climb "the RIGHT way" or not. There are people (I among them) who insist that if you peaked Mt. Everest using equipment beyond what Edmund Hillary used then you don't qualify as having surmounted Everest. I have never climbed Everest and never will just to be clear. I did a LOT of un-named mountain climbing when I lived in Alaska.
To continue with the analogy though. I see many players asking for the equivalent of oxygen bottles and engineered nylon rope to make their climb safer and easier. I then see players telling those players "I did it with just a walking stick and you will too." If the purists win in this debate they will see a sparsely populated game that is not generating the money needed to improve and expand. Unless one of the purist players is a billionaire who will throw good money after bad just to keep his dream of repeatedly manually docking at an poorly designed space station alive.
Currently the only things I see done well in ED are the galaxy and the Super-Cruise/Jump mechanic.
Tedious things: Trading, Mining and station docking.
Broken things: Economy sim
Unplayable/not worth the time invested: Bounty Hunting, Piracy and smuggling
Currently, for me, this game is just a place to refine flying skills in an illogical space sim until Star Citizen comes out. If Star Citizen is as much of an illogical and broken mess as ED has turned out to be then it looks like Minecraft will continue to dominate the sandbox niche.
yea like ships in deepspace not using supercruise, i just wonder WHY?!!?!? and ships with escorts being attacked, i just wonder if slaving drives is not possible how do they end up that way??? There is no way to do group interdictions then either. really immersion breaking. Should there also not be a LOT more Lakons about taking care of the background trading or massive trade and mining ships?
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Have some rep sir!
Yes! I'm not rich at all, just slowly working towards a bigger and more comfy ship to expand upon trades. To explore more and use fraps, do some mining, find some unexplored areas. the missions right now are the stepping stone for me. There is so much more to this game. Im still excited everytime i drop out of hyper and almost crash into a star! It will be wonderful to not grind as much and enjoy vistas!
Yeah, we happened. We did nothing but moan about not being able to grind in peace and frontier have listened to feedback.
I could quote thousands of these if I cared enough. Passed caring now though.
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Lol.. Please, go work in software development for a while. Then think about what you posted here.
Ok, play internet tough guy if you like but it simply devalues your argument. If you think bullying people out of a debate is fine you keep on (by theway I'm on the same 'side' of the argument as you, just bored of the and rhetoric).
The OP is a flawed question. ED is easy, it just has a very sharp initial learning curve, also easy does not mean boring, boring gameplay makes a boring game. What ED needs is much less opacity and help for beginners but then a difficulty level that progresses with player ability to keep them challenged. As it stands once you get the basics down the game is a walk in the park, lacks challenge, and lacks meaning full story...we will see if it improves
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Im going to call on this....300 million? and you started on the 16th? No...not with the nerfs to trading, rare goods and mining exploits fixed. ...just no. I use the very best trade tools and OCR and im still under 10M, with most of the day to devote to playing since own my own business....and i dont say that to brag, but to illustrate that i have far more time to play then most.
So umm...yeah....please illustrate to us how you are at 300 million with all the "fixes" to the game on launch and post launch.
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I dont believe it lacks challenge..it lacks a reason to do anything. You want one of the cool big ships(Asp and above), prepare to play space trucker online....You want to build rep?? The rep system is atrocious right now...Theres a very few players who are toughing it out in empire space to gain ranks, and they are mostly able to do it by being gamma players while you could still make millions easily.
Fed is in a bit better shape reputation system wise, but only barely...and the whole thing with nuetral ships going hostile IMMEDIATELY with a single round from a multi-cannon is just rediculous. Shields are there to prevent just such friendly fire occurences from happening which makes system police not only troublesome, but downright annoying.
Theres a reason why the smarter people ONLY hunt bounties in Anarchy systems.
SpiralRazor
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They are most definitely NOT non existant...they are actually working sensible now. On my trade runs, ive actually had to start putting guns on my L6...i get interdicted by npcs fairly often....Ask yourself what systems you are passing through, and what are you hauling?
If they were more often, like they were before, id leave the game. Interdictions are mostly an annoyance that causes me to lose time via fighting or perma burning away from bigger targets then my L6 with 500k beam turrets can handle... Think they are fine at where they are at now.
