Comparing elite and eve online..

obliterator

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I'd like to discuss about this, as it has become kind of irritating lately.

Every time someone here is talking about the implementation of better multiplayer interactions, guild support, chat channel, pvp, zone control, station ownership, or just better social tools in general, there is always some people who come and say "THIS IS NOT EVE ONLINE GO AWAY". Now I don't mind people trying to remind others that both games have different design philosophies, but it's downright problematic when people are using it as a straw man to maintain status quo:

-Player A proposes X because he thinks it would be a good addition to the game
-Player B bashes EVE online instead of answering why he doesn't want X
-Player A has no idea what the hell player B is talking about, then asks why player B is against X
-Player B respond that X belongs to eve online, and that ED is not eve online.

This fallacious logic doesn't make any sense, and it has to stop. I never played eve online and I don't know much about it, but it seems like some people here hate this game in such an irrational, passionate manner, that they just want ED to avoid any similarity with EVE at all costs. Can we just stop saying that everything that is in EVE doesn't belong in ED for the sole reason that EVE has it too? Just because you hate something so much doesn't mean there absolutely nothing good in it. Again, I don't mind people saying that X or Y doesn't belong in elite if they provide actual arguments.

Please enlighten me. What's the problem with eve online? And finally can we please stop comparing it to Elite? :S
 
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Aldric

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obliterator said:
I'd like to discuss about this, as it has become kind of irritating lately.

Every time someone here is talking about the implementation of better multiplayer interactions, guild support, chat channel, pvp, zone control, station ownership, or just better social tools in general, there is always some people who come and say "THIS IS NOT EVE ONLINE GO AWAY". Now I don't mind people trying to remind others that both games have different design philosophies, but it's downright problematic when people are using it as a straw man to maintain status quo:

-Player A proposes X because he thinks it would be a good addition to the game
-Player B bashes EVE online instead of answering why he doesn't want X
-Player A has no idea what the hell player B is talking about, then asks why player B is against X
-Player B respond that X belongs to eve online, and that ED is not eve online.

This fallacious logic doesn't make any sense, and it has to stop. I never played eve online and I don't know much about it, but it seems like some people here hate this game in such an irrational, passionate manner, that they just want ED to avoid any similarity with EVE at all costs. Can we just stop saying that everything that is in EVE doesn't belong in ED for the sole reason that EVE has it too? Just because you hate something so much doesn't mean there absolutely nothing good in it.

Please enlighten me. What's the problem with eve online? And finally can we please stop comparing it to Elite? :S
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No problem with Eve online, i belong to a mega pvp corp/alliance in there and have been playing Eve since the first day it came out, and i love Elite dangerous as well having been in Elite dangerous since Alpha, both seperate games and different game mechanics so not much else to add really.
 
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Gods3nt

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obliterator said:
I'd like to discuss about this, as it has become kind of irritating lately.

Every time someone here is talking about the implementation of better multiplayer interactions, guild support, chat channel, pvp, zone control, station ownership, or just better social tools in general, there is always some people who come and say "THIS IS NOT EVE ONLINE GO AWAY". Now I don't mind people trying to remind others that both games have different design philosophies, but it's downright problematic when people are using it as a straw man to maintain status quo:

-Player A proposes X because he thinks it would be a good addition to the game
-Player B bashes EVE online instead of answering why he doesn't want X
-Player A has no idea what the hell player B is talking about, then asks why player B is against X
-Player B respond that X belongs to eve online, and that ED is not eve online.

This fallacious logic doesn't make any sense, and it has to stop. I never played eve online and I don't know much about it, but it seems like some people here hate this game in such an irrational, passionate manner, that they just want ED to avoid any similarity with EVE at all costs. Can we just stop saying that everything that is in EVE doesn't belong in ED for the sole reason that EVE has it too? Just because you hate something so much doesn't mean there absolutely nothing good in it.

Please enlighten me. What's the problem with eve online? And finally can we please stop comparing it to Elite? :S
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Agreed!

Problem I think is how delicate the economy is in Eve if not the most stable in a pc game, ever. I've played Eve on and off in the past, it was because of the horrific player base and elitist economy, I found myself having not a single clue what to do or how to defend myself effectively from grievers.
 

Jeroll3d

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Eve Online was created in 2003, there is no comparison. Still, EVE Online is an excellent school of 'how to make a game work'.

Simple as that!
 

Zaerion

Zaerion
The problem is that some people think that a combination of the eve social and political life could be awesome with the elite dangerous hull as it is rigth now , but it seems that some people here including the devs are stuck in 1980s and they just want an empty and lifeless universe to play space trucking song from deep purple over and over while they do some goods trading over and over in a pointless way.

I mean , they already got their solo mode and their private groups mode , why dont they let the rest of us get some love from Frontier and make the pvp, social and political actions a bit more encouraged? it makes no sense for me, you got what you want but you dont want others to get what they want, that makes no sense.
 
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TehGM

TehGM
@OP:
If people hate EVE, they simply failed at playing it.
And then they're still butthurt that someone killed them, and they overreact here.

No problem with EVE online, and yes, I hope people stop comparing Elite with EVE.
 

RobinsonUK

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obliterator said:
I'd like to discuss about this, as it has become kind of irritating lately.

Every time someone here is talking about the implementation of better multiplayer interactions, guild support, chat channel, pvp, zone control, station ownership, or just better social tools in general, there is always some people who come and say "THIS IS NOT EVE ONLINE GO AWAY". Now I don't mind people trying to remind others that both games have different design philosophies, but it's downright problematic when people are using it as a straw man to maintain status quo:
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Here's the problem: When you think you're comparing Eve to Elite Dangerous, you aren't. What you need to do is rewind Eve back to beta 6 and then compare it to Elite Dangerous. What Eve had then that Elite Dangerous doesn't now, at release, is better social tools like local, constellation, regional chat. Although it had corporations you couldn't "fleet" with others (as a game mechanic). That was introduced later. Although in theory the market was player created with crafting in practice it was seeded with NPC orders. There were no player owned structures (POS weren't introduced for a few years post release). There were only a few available ships for each race. Cruisers were released in late beta 6. There were no Battleships.

I could go on.

Even CCP didn't go all-in with PvP. In the early game non-consensual PvP was destroying high sec and player numbers were terrible (2,500 at peak in my timezone). Corps like Space Invaders were camping high sec, people couldn't travel easily (there was no WTZ) and Concord didn't exist. CCP introduced Concord because players abused the PvP aspect of the game and drove away players and $ in the process.
 
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Jason S

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EVE online is primarily focused on PvP.
ED is primarily focused on PvE.

Those that want more PvP are suggesting things that tend to be in EVE.
Those that do not want more PvP would rather not have those things so as to keep the focus for PvE.

Two different games, neither is bad, but I would like them to stay different.
 

TehGM

TehGM
Exard3k said:
Both games start with an E
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e space games.jpg

Need more space games with E begining! :D
 

Zaerion

Zaerion
Jason S said:
EVE online is primarily focused on PvP.
ED is primarily focused on PvE.

Those that want more PvP are suggesting things that tend to be in EVE.
Those that do not want more PvP would rather not have those things so as to keep the focus for PvE.

Two different games, neither is bad, but I would like them to stay different.
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Elite is not even a PVE game a game where u beat an anaconda un the second day of play with a vieper or a cobra , or even ina egale/sidewinder if you are rly good , cant be considered PVE game.
 

malicious1

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obliterator said:
I'd like to discuss about this, as it has become kind of irritating lately.

Every time someone here is talking about the implementation of better multiplayer interactions, guild support, chat channel, pvp, zone control, station ownership, or just better social tools in general, there is always some people who come and say "THIS IS NOT EVE ONLINE GO AWAY". Now I don't mind people trying to remind others that both games have different design philosophies, but it's downright problematic when people are using it as a straw man to maintain status quo:

-Player A proposes X because he thinks it would be a good addition to the game
-Player B bashes EVE online instead of answering why he doesn't want X
-Player A has no idea what the hell player B is talking about, then asks why player B is against X
-Player B respond that X belongs to eve online, and that ED is not eve online.

This fallacious logic doesn't make any sense, and it has to stop. I never played eve online and I don't know much about it, but it seems like some people here hate this game in such an irrational, passionate manner, that they just want ED to avoid any similarity with EVE at all costs. Can we just stop saying that everything that is in EVE doesn't belong in ED for the sole reason that EVE has it too? Just because you hate something so much doesn't mean there absolutely nothing good in it. Again, I don't mind people saying that X or Y doesn't belong in elite if they provide actual arguments.

Please enlighten me. What's the problem with eve online? And finally can we please stop comparing it to Elite? :S
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or maybe it was because braben sold this as an mmo for last few months........talk to him
 

TehGM

TehGM
picommander said:
I think a majority here has great respect for EVE, at least and if only for its uniqueness which has become an extremely rare occurrence these days. Having respect and liking something are 2 completely different pair of shoes though. The problem with EVE is not the game itself. It's a great part of its player base that seem to have grown sick of the lack of real physics in their game. Now they seem to dream of boarding ED with what they believe is the very standard for a modern space game.
In short: The problem are disappointed and bored formerly EVE players that disrespect their own game.
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Not that I'm bored with EVE, but I must admit, if EVE had Elite flight model, I'd play EVE 5x more.
Although that's not really possible with current state of technology. But I'm fine with Elite being different, leaves me some space for my own games ideas (that I always start and never finish, working alone takes ages. Lol :D )
 

TannakaObi

TannakaObi
Jason S said:
EVE online is primarily focused on PvP.
ED is primarily focused on PvE.

Those that want more PvP are suggesting things that tend to be in EVE.
Those that do not want more PvP would rather not have those things so as to keep the focus for PvE.

Two different games, neither is bad, but I would like them to stay different.
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This is like saying:

League of Legends online is primarily focused on PvP.
Call of Duty is primarily focused on PvE.

Those that want more PvP are suggesting things that tend to be in League of Legends.
Those that do not want more PvP would rather not have those things so as to keep the focus for PvE.

Two different games, neither is bad, but I would like them to stay different.

Does that really read as sensible? And did you even read what the op wrote? I guess not.

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Op, I'm with you. Had the same discussion on the ESO boards about WoW, same reaction. It's simply blind stupidity.
 
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