ofc they inspired by it but they missed the simulation part ;p
Eve IS Elite!
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ofc they inspired by it but they missed the simulation part ;p
Eve is nothing like Elite. Nice reach. They are simply in a similar genre. To say Eve is Elite is just as as saying Battlefield is Call of Duty.
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Well, as I said, please let's not forget the Elite sequels. The every-day flying in Frontier was not much different than point and click. You pointed a destination in the map, hit the autopilot and pressed the stardreamer button.
If you do this in 3rd person mode, it's almost indistinguishable from Eve.
And of course, one of the driving forces behind Eve is the whole PvP thing. PvP is the focus. Players spend hours trying to get bigger ships, which they then send into combat where the chance of losing your ship is really high. I remember reading about a massive battle where the value lost (in terms of real world dollars) was close to the GDP of a small country... that is very scary!
And therefore this is a fundamental difference. In Eve, you expect to sooner or later to loose your ship. Even if you make it to the big boys league, you are aiming to win in one of the big battles that takes place to further the cause of your clan.
This sort of play would be terrible for ED. Throwing away your ship (commander) is not in line with the experience of Elite. In Elite you are the pilot. And to translate this into real life, you would not stupidly get involved in some sort of all out war and risk death unless you were sure your derrier was covered and there was a good chance of coming out of it alive.
And this is also why so many ED players find PvP abhorrent. Its not that we are scardy cats, or bad pilots (although i myself put myself in both categories). We just immerse deeply into the game and will not risk our ship and commander stupidly. You will never hear one of us say "I was loosing hull until i was down to 22%, but i got the final hit and won, but at the last second my thrusters were destroyed"... we would have run well before getting down to 22% hull. We are the commanders of the ships!
And therefore the idea of PvP is not something that makes sense. Why take on targets that could beat you? It makes no sense. Its like being a mugger and deliberately picking tough marks to steal from, instead of the old granny with the zimmer frame!
I am sorry but what is all the grinding good for then? You get the biggest ship and the biggest lasers and then.. you throw the game away? First Encounters tried to add the end-game content here through the Thargoid missions and the planned faction war. Eve's gigantic wars (and X's base building) is the end-game content where you can put all the gear and ships you grinded through to good use. It's not like you're forced to it (you can dwell in safe space if you want).
Elite Dangerous doesn't have that end-game content and it's somewhat unlikely if it will ever get it given how people respond to "eve-like" features. So it's pretty much "Got Anaconda. Bored".
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BORDERLANDS? WHA?
I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't quite get the Borderlands and Destiny references. I presumed sarcasm, though!
Why, then, are you here, and not on the CCP forums? Honestly, this isn't even a rhetorical question. Why, if you have such a low opinion of this game, and such a high opinion of Eve, or the X series, are you here, bashing it? It just seems like a waste of time to lurk on a game's forums, which you have no interest in, obviously do not find fun, and obviously have a high amount of distaste for. I am not a fan of Eve, myself, and that's okay, but you don't find me lurking the CCP forums bashing if for putting everything up behind not only an arbitrary time wall, but essentially, you must invest X dollars before you can fly a certain ship. I despise that mechanic with all of my being. So I don't play, I don't pay, and I don't lurk the forums.
Some people like Eve. Cool. Good for you, I'm glad you found a game you enjoy! I found a game I enjoy, as it stands, and can't wait to see how it will evolve over the coming years, much as Eve evolved from an eyesore spreadsheets in space to what it is now. People always expect Lich King level polish and feature list from a Vanilla level game, and it baffles me to no end. You know what happens when you expect that? You get $250 spaceships that you can walk around in in a hangar while they try to develop everything in parallell. That's not bashing, SC, they simply chose a different funding and development method, one I don't want to partake in. I still plan on buying it once it's released in 20XX. Until then, I have this. You have Eve. Can we please just leave each other to each other's games?
Why must we have a bash fest here? If your game is really so fun, why are you here, trashing the game I find fun? Only reason I'm on the Forums, is I'm at work. From 6PM to 8AM, I don't tend to touch the Forums, because I'm busy playing. So again, why are you here?
The weakest aspect of ED is the social features which I know they are working upon. There needs to be things to do that take group effort. EVE excells at this. EVE is EVE and ED is ED. they can learn from each other to improve both games.
After you earn your first hundred million and have very ship all tricked out with the top modules, you need a reason to log in..that reason is the friends you've made from the interaction created in the social features of the game.
After you earn your first hundred million and have very ship all tricked out with the top modules, you need a reason to log in..that reason is the friends you've made from the interaction created in the social features of the game.
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EVE wasn't around in 2001, it was released in 2003.
Utter rubbish.
EVE is a very good game that has it's flaws, if it was awful then it would have disappeared years ago and no-one would be paying €14.99 for the pleasure of being 'griefed' every month. There are a number of toxic elements in the game just like any other gaming community, the main thing with EVE is that these elements, I'm thinking Goons of the past, can influence the game and it's direction disproportionately. That being said there are some wonderful corporations in EVE with friendly and helpful players, that generate a massive sense of camaraderie I've not seen in any other game, ever. ED has a long way to go to match anything like that.
What utter crap... have you even played the game? Or are you just quoting someone else's third-hand anecdote. Assume this is based on your dormant character from before the game existed?
Eh? EVE is only a grief fest if you let it. If you can't deal with PVP in a PVP game then why on earth would you play it? It's like being in the army and complaining to your C.O. that the enemy is shooting at you... "Captain Mainwaring sir! Them's there Germans they is meaning to kill us with their guns'n'stuff, now that ain't fair is it?"
How would you know this when you were engaged in combat with someone? Do they have a credit balance readout when you target them? "Oh noes, look there's CMDR Johnny Skint, better not shoot him as he looks like he can't even afford ammo for his multicanons!"...
Erm... if you say so. I don't quite see it that way but ok.
You know, when i played Frontier, i never even bothered with most of the missions. I just played and played. It was only many years later i downloaded a save game just to see what the special mission ships looked like. ED is only a grinding game if you let it be. I've almost been suckered into it a couple of times with trading and whatnot, but i find i get most enjoyment if i let the game happen and don't worry about credits or the size of my epeen. I feel like i'm enjoying the game immensely by not putting myself under pressure or having other put pressure on me. Truly enjoying it.
And come on, nobody commented on my awesome insight into why PvEers hate PvP? Damn it! I need more alcoholololol....
Borderlands and Destiny are quite a like and Bungie said they enjoyed Borderlands and wanted to make a game like borderlands with their own vision.
That's the problem. People get too hung up on pointing out the differences. They have the same core gameplay. A Space sim where you Trade, Pirate, and hunt bad guys. When I first heard of Elite I thought to myself, "Yes! A game like EVE or X3 but is actually fun!" Sure, EVE diverges greatly when it comes to controls, economy, and mulitplayer, but it has that same general theme. Any hate is more about ing contests between fanboys.
It is central to the design of ED to limit the scope of influence a single player can have, although its arguably working a little too well at the moment ....
OP was talking about Eve being Elite, in case you missed the point.
So not as irreverent as your reply.
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They don't feel very similar to me tbh, Elite is a single-player simulator, with stunted multiplayer features and twitch based mechanics, EvE is point and click, remote-control drones, and community driven, EvE IS the community. I play both and i have to admit, if there is any influences to be taken, i only want influence going from ED to EvE, and not the other way around.
Well, I think i have to agree on that statement. Also I think that ED hasnt really arrived in 2014 yet. Heck, even the multiplayer is like 1994...
