Do economies ever grow back naturally?

[Delphy]

Hi All,

As with a lot of people I have been finding systems with high supply of Palladium, and trading them to other systems with a High Demand, and then High Supply of Progenitor Cells and so on and so forth. But since basically every other trader is doing exactly the same thing, it's getting more difficult to find good places to go already.

My question is this - once a supply of Palladium has gone from High to Medium supply, does it ever go back up again naturally? By naturally I mean without the players interference. There's no reason for a player who is mining to sell to an Extraction economy when they can sell to a High tech and get more money per ton.

So will the economies ever recover naturally over time, or are we all doomed to deplete the galaxy sooner rather than later?

D.

 

[GrillMonkey]

I think systems high in supply are the ones that produce the comodities so they will replenish their own supplies over time.

 

[Elfman]

Yep i have been trading the same way in a backwater where the system only has a low pop so supply drops quickly (but also has similar returns on gold and silver per ton) when it changes to medium I swap to gold then silver then by the time they have also dropped to medium the palladium is normally back to high

But then there are only 3 of us visiting that system who are on TS with me

I would imagine if people are carrying on taking the palladium when its in medium then it will not get back to high

 

[Macgyver]

Hi All,

As with a lot of people I have been finding systems with high supply of Palladium, and trading them to other systems with a High Demand, and then High Supply of Progenitor Cells and so on and so forth. But since basically every other trader is doing exactly the same thing, it's getting more difficult to find good places to go already.

My question is this - once a supply of Palladium has gone from High to Medium supply, does it ever go back up again naturally? By naturally I mean without the players interference. There's no reason for a player who is mining to sell to an Extraction economy when they can sell to a High tech and get more money per ton.

So will the economies ever recover naturally over time, or are we all doomed to deplete the galaxy sooner rather than later?

D.

Nope.
We all doing the same thing.
Just try to find big population stations, it takes longer to get screwed over by us.....
I was doing a 20ly jump back and forth between two stations, milked it dry and now I am so bored of this game I can't be bothered even playing anymore.
I just couldn't see any point in ship upgrading, it's just the same old thing over and over.

 

[Delphy]

Hrm, okay so they do grow back? Does anybody have any data on the rates, based on population, economy etc?

Thanks for the replies.

 

[ElleShaped]

Look at it this way: The supply is continuously produced; or at least in increments daily or less.

If the supply goes from high to medium and people continue trading there, it will -never recover- because the traders were able to deplete the supply faster than it accrued.

 

[CMDR_Coenen]

My solution for long-term trading at stations is trading with multiple commodities in the hold: 25 gold, 25 silver, 25 whatever, 25 somethingelse in my 100t Type 6. So I don't fill it up with one single item and dumping it on the market. This way the economy of the selling station and the destination station stay fairly balanced of a longer period. I'm getting roughly the same profits over multiple runs. Dumping 100t of something on a market kills the next run's profit.

While this works, it shouldn't be an issue at all. I wrote this in another thread some time ago: Would the cargo of 1 star ship from Star Trek influence the economy of say Deep Space 9 in the same manner as a Type 6...9 in Elite? The economy as it's done now works but is to sensitive with it's reactions. A station at even a small planet should be able to "absorb" more trade traffic before the economy reacts on it. One on a big populated station shouldn't react at all, only when it's 'bombarded' with a certain type of goods by large amounts of traders.

 

[kamenjar]

I've just witnessed palladium fluctuate multiple times between high and medium supply, so yes it does "grow back" to high without player intervention.
However, low pop systems don't have the ability to grow supply High due to NPC trading. In other words if the system had high supply at some point, it will likely have it again if no player interferes.

 

[Rennard]

My experience is that the higher the population in the system the longer it takes to alter the demand for a commodity. I have been trading Palladium/Perf Enhancers back and forth between two systems with populations in the billions and they have never changed from high. The supply/demand figures are upwards of 60,000 units.
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Do the same thing in the "tiny" population systems an it changes very quickly.
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Two of us have been running the trade route above and it has never moved from high/high.

 

[Arkronis]

Nope.
We all doing the same thing.
Just try to find big population stations, it takes longer to get screwed over by us.....
I was doing a 20ly jump back and forth between two stations, milked it dry and now I am so bored of this game I can't be bothered even playing anymore.
I just couldn't see any point in ship upgrading, it's just the same old thing over and over.

There's your problem. You've concentrated on ONE trade route only (which is implied by your comment quote above).

One activity full on and you're gonna get burnt out very fast. - Change it up, for sanity's sake!

On topic: Good to hear/see that it has been observed that the market is responding to supply/demand to a degree. Hopefully it will be robust further on!

 

[crushdepth]

It does recover over time, but I think population size may be a factor. Get off the beaten path and you won't have competition, don't have to go far.

I've been running the same route for a week and only seen one other trader. I can't make a dent in the supply/demand by myself.

 

[Delphy]

It does recover over time, but I think population size may be a factor. Get off the beaten path and you won't have competition, don't have to go far.

I've been running the same route for a week and only seen one other trader. I can't make a dent in the supply/demand by myself.

Yeah I've found some where there has been only 1 other player, but the supply/demand was still Med for a while, so I moved on. Maybe I should try going back to one of my older haunts and see if it's recovered (I'm talking a couple hundred LY away from Sol btw... not core systems).