I'm surprised how majority of this community is against the PvP in the game, i don't understand why are you even here playing this game for if you don't want to do PvP at ALL, whats so much fun in playing with brainless NPCs ? maybe some people are just scared to face the world, i would like to suggest the developers to focus little more on PvP which should be the backbone of any online game in my opinion.
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You are wrong. Although I'm sure some are against PvP on principle the problem actually lays with the PvP community being unable to accept that ED is a game that caters for everyone's playstyle. And your post goes on to make that very point. ED is not a PvP centric game, and this is by design. It has nothing to do with 'being scared'. Your opinion that PvP should be the backbone of any online game is fine, but it isn't going to change something that is the basic concept of the game... that everyone can play as they want.
stats for online games show that less than 10% of players engage in PvP therefore your assertion is not valid. PvP players are a vocal minority but still a minority.
I totally agree everyone should be able to do whatever they want to do freely and happily, but you are totally, there is nothing wrong with PvP players in ED, the point i'm trying to make is that you CAN'T PvP without being called griefer by lot of players, they are not willing get over it put aside accepting PvP.
Ok, well, you've totally changed your tune from your OP but ok. The thing is, it is for the target/victim, call it what you like to decide if they feel they are being griefed. But that is besides the point, lets get back to ED being about allowing everyone to play their own way. Think about groups. There are several groups for just PvE. You prefer PvP so why not start or join a group for PvP? That would surely solve your problem no? Unless, of course you actually ARE one of those who just want to shoot up everyone whether they want you to or not.
So what are you trying to say ? in my initial post theres nowhere i was against anyones playstyle or freedom by any way, obviously everyone should do whatever they want to do happily, you said "I'm sure some are against PvP on principle the problem actually lays with the PvP community being unable to accept that ED is a game that caters for everyone's playstyle. And your post goes on to make that very point" why did you even say that ? this shows how ignorant someone can be, you didn't even tried to understand what i actually mean, and i didn't changed my tone i am still saying what i tried to say initially but a dimwit like you cannot possibly hope to understand, plus why do i need to join a group and find particular people just to enjoy PvP ? sorry but thats not how it should be, its a free game and you should understand theres nothing wrong with PvP or PvP community, people like you need to accept PvP more instead of neglecting it because u want to fight a brainless NPC, thats not a good reason for people to go against PvP players just because they don't like it, its a part of the game and they should respect that instead of blaming it on pvpers or calling them griefers just because they attacked you (people like u).
It is kind of ironic that you say this when the creator of Elite himself said:
Note that last line...
"we are designing the bounty system (and others) to discourage PvP and encourage player cooperation"
"discourage PvP and encourage player cooperation"
^^^ THIS is the game I want to one day play in open...... the one the creator envisioned Elite to be.... NOT the game you think it should be....
If I spent 4 hours mining so I can get enough money to buy a better refinery.. And then you stumbled along and shot me for whatever reason.. Role Play, Pirate, for the hell of it... and I lose all that effort simply cause you want to shoot me down for the rush.. do you really think anyone would "get over it" or "Accept it"..
No.. you are right.. they, me and most, are not willing to pad stats or ego..
I play in Solo mode only.. I have never played in Open world... ever... and that's going all the way back to Gamma when I started..
Why? because of players like you
I will wait for the day people work together to fight off the NPC threat.. Cooperate in exploration and expansion.. This game was not designed to be a PvP exclusivity and to be honest.. PvP is not encouraging people to join the open world.. it is hindering it... and thus they / we play in solo or in private groups...
Fly safe and enjoy your hunt
Well actually... from your initial post:
Now you have to admit that when you attack someone's playstyle like that and accuse them of being 'scared to face the world' that DOES suggest that you are against that person's play-style or freedom to play the way they want.
Why do I say that some people are against PvP on principle? Because it is true, they are. Why do I say that the problem lays with the PvP community and that your original post typifies this? Again, because it is generally true, and certainly true based on the evidence of your own initial post...
You admit that you cannot understand why people don't want to PvP. This is a frequently seen mind-set of many PvPers and it is quite understandable. To them, the fun comes from one on one combat or multi-player combat where player is pitted against player. They either cannot or refuse to accept that some people don't find that sort of thing fun. Simple as that.
So you see, I did and DO understand what you actually mean. I even managed to bridge the gap and follow your second post which has a completely different tone from the first. And now in this post you resort to personal attacks... why? If you have an argument. If you have a point to make then do so. Attack the argument, not the person. If you have a valid case then it will stand by itself without the added vitriol.
Let's see, next bit. Oh yes. I DO understand that there is nothing wrong with the PvP community and I do accept PvP. I play pure PvP games like WW2online. Where in this post did I accuse pvpers of being griefers? All I did was offer the suggestion that to solve the problem of Pvpers not being able to find a fight then they should maybe create a group like many PvEers have. What you and other PvP fans DO have to understand however is what I said earlier. ED is NOT a PvP centric game and was never designed to be. It is for you to understand that and either accept it or not, but the fact that ED is not PvP centric will not change.
The rest of your post is just baseless assumptions about me and what I like and don't like so that isn't even worth going into.
Dfine PVP in ED!
Jumping Hauler is that it?
Doing it in identical Ships? so the skill decides!?
Jumping Hauler is that it?
Doing it in identical Ships? so the skill decides!?
This right here is why I stopped ever identifying myself as a PvPer, even when I do engage in it. People give it such a bad name these days.
Edit: In order to contribute more to the thread, no, PvP isn't the backbone of every online game. LOTRO is a perfectly working online game that has virtually no serious PvP and the community there is awesome.
Not all games are PvP-centric. Period. Not having PvP in a game does not automatically make it a bad game. It just doesn't make it a game for those who can only feel happy doing PvP.
What so-called PvPers need to do is wake up to the fact that not everyone thinks the way they do. Not everyone is wired the way they are, and not everyone thinks everything everywhere is a competition. They are not entitled to force their viewpoint onto everything any more than anyone else is.
What's more, PvP isn't shooting people! Any veteran of EVE will tell you there's strategic PvP, economic PvP, there are players engaged in complex wars where they never personally fire a shot. There are players in high-sec who have literally no interest in combat but affect the game's economy in drastic ways.
Case in point - I have deliberately decided to fly Solo in Elite because I have no real desire for the MMO aspects. I want my original Elite space sim feel, and so far it's done it pretty well. It's not like Solo can't be challenging or there's no risk - it's just a different set of risks to be managed.
Am I anti-PvP? Well, indirectly yes in this specific context, but not actively so and not in general at all. If other people want to blow each other up, go do it - indeed, I flew in EVE for some time in such a circumstance. I just don't feel the need to do so in Elite, nor do I particularly warm to the idea of other people insisting that I must do so for a game where I'm paying just as much (probably more) money for the privilege, and the game designers have actively stated that no, it's not their focus. Nor would I want everyone in Open Play to feel actively penalised for not wanting to engage in PvP just because they wish to be social (which is why there's a sequence of measures to prevent people just being silly)
Afraid to face the world? More like tired of these narrow-minded viewpoints.
Perhaps an actual suggestion would be of merit, such as how the present Open Play doesn't support PvP (which to my mind, it does just fine - go find an Anarchy system, job done).
Edit: In order to contribute more to the thread, no, PvP isn't the backbone of every online game. LOTRO is a perfectly working online game that has virtually no serious PvP and the community there is awesome.
Not all games are PvP-centric. Period. Not having PvP in a game does not automatically make it a bad game. It just doesn't make it a game for those who can only feel happy doing PvP.
What so-called PvPers need to do is wake up to the fact that not everyone thinks the way they do. Not everyone is wired the way they are, and not everyone thinks everything everywhere is a competition. They are not entitled to force their viewpoint onto everything any more than anyone else is.
What's more, PvP isn't shooting people! Any veteran of EVE will tell you there's strategic PvP, economic PvP, there are players engaged in complex wars where they never personally fire a shot. There are players in high-sec who have literally no interest in combat but affect the game's economy in drastic ways.
Case in point - I have deliberately decided to fly Solo in Elite because I have no real desire for the MMO aspects. I want my original Elite space sim feel, and so far it's done it pretty well. It's not like Solo can't be challenging or there's no risk - it's just a different set of risks to be managed.
Am I anti-PvP? Well, indirectly yes in this specific context, but not actively so and not in general at all. If other people want to blow each other up, go do it - indeed, I flew in EVE for some time in such a circumstance. I just don't feel the need to do so in Elite, nor do I particularly warm to the idea of other people insisting that I must do so for a game where I'm paying just as much (probably more) money for the privilege, and the game designers have actively stated that no, it's not their focus. Nor would I want everyone in Open Play to feel actively penalised for not wanting to engage in PvP just because they wish to be social (which is why there's a sequence of measures to prevent people just being silly)
Afraid to face the world? More like tired of these narrow-minded viewpoints.
Perhaps an actual suggestion would be of merit, such as how the present Open Play doesn't support PvP (which to my mind, it does just fine - go find an Anarchy system, job done).
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So define it even in Everquest i got jumped from behind, from Players i could not Win because the had better Gear and level this did not chang in WOW Age of Conan and SWTOR so tell me define PVP!
For me it is same Gear same Level let the skill decide! Everthing els is annoying Players
Sure, I'll give my definition, for what little it's worth.
Everything can be interpreted as PvP. PvP is:
- Two thirds of the forum decide to go campaign in Lugh to start a civil war, and the other third decides to stop them.
- Traders actively depleting the supply in a given system such that another trader turns up and finds the system empty.
- A pirate interdicting a trader and using a limpet system to steal their cargo.
- Two solo players both trying to affect the game's persistent universe in opposing ways.
- Two friends getting together in a private group and dueling in identical ships to see who has the better skill.
- A bounty hunter patiently tracking a high bounty player until they are in the right place at the right time for the kill.
Only one of the above actually requires people to kill a target at all. Some don't even require all the participants to care (this really rubs some people the wrong way for some reason, that the other person really couldn't care less if they're competing). I don't define myself as a PvPer any more because most don't embrace this wider definition.