Viper Fail in it's Role?

[ShimmerUK]

OK so I've been playing away enjoying the game for the most part But I have to say the VIPER is a HUGE let down infact I see little point with it as it stands compared to the Cobra mkIII

I'll Compare to the more versatile Cobra

Pro's
It's Faster
Better gun arrangement
More Shields

Con's
Small Fuel Tank should be at least 8 tons
Is not more maneuverable
less Armour
Boost is =

So it not that bad you think as there only 4 bad points but let go into the Role of the Ship It's a Medium Fighter that it Main role so the biggest Con is it maneuverability It need to be 1 or 2 notches Higher and it should be as it's role is to fight ships like the cobra/eagle/sidewinder yer against a Cobra your pretty much on = footing in fact the cobra can be a better because of it's bigger modules it can have. Means it can have better power management how this right a ships for specific role being out done by a jack of all trades?

Boost OK it not that bad but let put into account the cobra is Bigger and heavier and has a = boost? that kinda silly and messed up I think Viper should get 20-30 more on boost.

Armour is fine thou it has less but it has more shields so it fairly balanced on that point and makes sense as the viper is smaller.

Fuel tank is ridiculous the ship is twice as big as a eagle and that has as 4 ton tank so surely the viper should have a 8 or maybe even a custom 6 ton tank or something as 4 is to small you can go like 2 big jumps then you got to stick next to a sun with a fuel scoop wasting a module slot that could be used for more shield banks.

Don't get me wrong I am not hating on the Cobra mk III I love that ship It more of a Balance Issue with the ships as a Med Fighter it should act more like one and have that slight edge not Huge in combat where at the moment getting range and taking a cobra on is really bad idea as the cobra would love to joust more than you in your Viper.

 

[Lestat]

Other then weapon loadout what have you upgraded on the Viper? Shields, FSD, Thrusters?

 

[MARPATdroid]

The Cobra costs more, and has higher classed equipment which costs more. The higher classed thrusters help it maneuver about the same as a viper.

Is the viper a good endgame ship? No.

However if you want something fun to go bounty hunting in, that is cheap to outfit, and replace there isn't a better ship, I think it costs about 2 million to fully deck out a viper, where as the cobra is much more expensive.

Personally I take the versatility of the Cobra over the Viper any day, but there are many bounty hunters out there who think the viper is the bees knees.

 

[simon terlecki]

On paper, the Cobra beats the Viper very well. I however, seem to have to run away a whole lot more when I'm in a Cobra than in a similarly equipped Viper (and often lesser equipped).

Although they are about equally maneuverable overall, they don' have the same flight dynamics. The Viper has more yaw capability while the cobra seems to have a tad more on the pitch. For pure combat, they are technically equal depending on your flying style and what you use as a default loadout. The Cobra has the obvious "more power" advantage that allows its owners to put more power hungry weapons at a time if they wish to.

In the end, it's a very personal thing and personally, The biggest joy to fly for me, is the Eagle even though the Viper is my go to ship for combat missions and the Cobra for anything that requires a little more options to be ready while still being combat viable.

 

[graeme.firth]

Vipers just look pretty when they explode under my Cobras withering fire. Lol

Flown both. Got a cobra first, then tried a viper for bounties, went back to the cobra.

It's all subjective preference.

 

[Zaerion]

Pro's
It's Faster
Better gun arrangement
More Shields

Con's
Small Fuel Tank should be at least 8 tons
Is not more maneuverable
less Armour
Boost is =

Nope is not faster with all pips on engines a cobra is faster a pimped out cobra vs a pimped out viper both with low weight cobra has like a 440 triple boost top speed and lile 310 regular speed while a viper has 408 top boost ( not triple , double and after a sec another one)

Cobra has more shields because cobra has shields class 4 so , better shields , better armor same maneuverable

The only things viper is better is , smaller , harder to hit and better placement of the hardpoints for FIXED , if you are going to use gimballed is better the cobra.

plus the cobra can run like 4 shield cell banks ... its pretty overpowered that ship and needs a nerf.

 

[Dissentient]

Viper's role is the being the ship that you get after selling Eagle and before buying Cobra.

 

[fergal]

Nope is not faster with all pips on engines a cobra is faster a pimped out cobra vs a pimped out viper both with low weight cobra has like a 440 triple boost top speed and lile 310 regular speed while a viper has 408 top boost ( not triple , double and after a sec another one)

Cobra has more shields because cobra has shields class 4 so , better shields , better armor same maneuverable

The only things viper is better is , smaller , harder to hit and better placement of the hardpoints for FIXED , if you are going to use gimballed is better the cobra.

plus the cobra can run like 4 shield cell banks ... its pretty overpowered that ship and needs a nerf.

Wow. Other than this has been gone over and over in other threads, most of what you have stated here is wrong.

They have the same power distributor, same number of utility mounts, same number and size of weapons.

Viper has faster 4 pips speed.
Viper has stronger shields.
Viper is smaller.
Vipers thrusters are superior.
Viper can change its momentum more responsively
Vipers weapon grouping are better for non gimballed weapons.

Cobra has stronger hull
Cobra has faster boost speed.
Cobra has 2 more internal compartments, and larger compartments.
Cobras weapon mounts are better for gimballed weapons.
Cobra has better pitch rate.

 

[Eldonorian]

I have a fully kitted out Cobra MK III. I think it cost me around 25 Million in upgrades to get it to its greatness it is now. Everythings is Class A except for the scanners which only come in one grade and size. Putting the Class 4 FDS Drive on it makes a huge diffrence for short cargo runs. It carries enough weapons to defend itself from the interdiction muggers out there. Since they dropped the rate at which rare cargo replenishes itself, I got rid of one of my 16 cargo racks and put in a Class 4 Grade A Shield Battery. Military grade armor, and a class 4 A Shield Gen.


I fly a Armored Truck.

 

[Zaerion]

Wow. Other than this has been gone over and over in other threads, most of what you have stated here is wrong.

They have the same power distributor, same number of utility mounts, same number and size of weapons.

Viper has faster 4 pips speed.
Viper has stronger shields.
Viper is smaller.
Vipers thrusters are superior.
Viper can change its momentum more responsively
Vipers weapon grouping are better for non gimballed weapons.

Cobra has stronger hull
Cobra has faster boost speed.
Cobra has 2 more internal compartments, and larger compartments.
Cobras weapon mounts are better for gimballed weapons.
Cobra has better pitch rate.

dude yesterday i went on a cobra with B power plant and B thrusters and low weigth and cobra had almost 440 top boost speed plz dont lie... i tested it myself, cobra is way faster than a viper due to triple boost 440 not even my low weigth viper can pass 410 if i use a 3A shield generator , to break the 410 boost speed i would have to go for all the D low weigth components.

And yea cobra can run witout cargo bay and have like 30 shield cells on it... and out run a viper due to the almost perma 440 boost speed, that just makes no sense.

 

[fergal]

dude yesterday i went on a cobra with B power plant and B thrusters and low weigth and cobra had almost 440 top boost speed plz dont lie... i tested it myself, cobra is way faster than a viper due to triple boost 440 not even my low weigth viper can pass 410 if i use a 3A shield generator , to break the 410 boost speed i would have to go for all the D low weigth components.

Thats not 4 pip top speed thats boost speed.

My viper boosts to 424 and has a top 4 pip speed of 339.

 

[Remiel]

OK so I've been playing away enjoying the game for the most part But I have to say the VIPER is a HUGE let down infact I see little point with it as it stands compared to the Cobra mkIII

I'll Compare to the more versatile Cobra

Pro's
It's Faster
Better gun arrangement
More Shields

Con's
Small Fuel Tank should be at least 8 tons
Is not more maneuverable
less Armour
Boost is =

So it not that bad you think as there only 4 bad points but let go into the Role of the Ship It's a Medium Fighter that it Main role so the biggest Con is it maneuverability It need to be 1 or 2 notches Higher and it should be as it's role is to fight ships like the cobra/eagle/sidewinder yer against a Cobra your pretty much on = footing in fact the cobra can be a better because of it's bigger modules it can have. Means it can have better power management how this right a ships for specific role being out done by a jack of all trades?

Boost OK it not that bad but let put into account the cobra is Bigger and heavier and has a = boost? that kinda silly and messed up I think Viper should get 20-30 more on boost.

Armour is fine thou it has less but it has more shields so it fairly balanced on that point and makes sense as the viper is smaller.

Fuel tank is ridiculous the ship is twice as big as a eagle and that has as 4 ton tank so surely the viper should have a 8 or maybe even a custom 6 ton tank or something as 4 is to small you can go like 2 big jumps then you got to stick next to a sun with a fuel scoop wasting a module slot that could be used for more shield banks.

Don't get me wrong I am not hating on the Cobra mk III I love that ship It more of a Balance Issue with the ships as a Med Fighter it should act more like one and have that slight edge not Huge in combat where at the moment getting range and taking a cobra on is really bad idea as the cobra would love to joust more than you in your Viper.

If you're struggling to make the most of a Viper in combat, you're doing something very wrong.

 

[Zaerion]

Thats not 4 pip top speed thats boost speed.

My viper boosts to 424 and has a top 4 pip speed of 339.

and i bet you are using all D modules? cos mine is around 105 weigth and cant do those numbers and anyway a cobra can do a 310 or 315 4 pips top speed wich does not rly matter cos cobra can almost perma boost way faster than a viper.

 

[Suul Vellumcore]

The Viper's strength lies in its low cost, allowing you to, more or less, compete with the likes of Cobras and such on the cheap.

 

[fergal]

and i bet you are using all D modules? cos mine is around 105 weigth and cant do those numbers and anyway a cobra can do a 310 or 315 4 pips top speed wich does not rly matter cos cobra can almost perma boost way faster than a viper.

Whos perma boosting in combat? How would you line up a target to shoot them?

You want a quick smuggling ship to run from interdictions thats fine.

Cobra top speed with all E equipment is 280, viper is 320.
E equipment weighs the same as A, so with A thrusters, no matter what crazy items you buy, its better than that.
If your viper has a 4 pips top speed of 315 you have loaded it down with cargo or B equipment, or maybe 3 shield cells and made it slower than the stock version.

Next you will be saying the cobra has better shields

 

[jspaceman]

This is more of a compare and contrast thread than what the title of the thread suggests.
The role of the Viper is pretty much an entry level fighter. I would guess the first real
ship upgrade for players interested in combat. It is a low cost hull with a decent upgrade
chain to have you running nav beacons relatively comfortably. It has its limitations though
and I don't think you will be outgunning fully fitted Cobras. I think that is enough to fulfill its role.

 

[Zaerion]

This is more of a compare and contrast thread than what the title of the thread suggests.
The role of the Viper is pretty much an entry level fighter. I would guess the first real
ship upgrade for players interested in combat. It is a low cost hull with a decent upgrade
chain to have you running nav beacons relatively comfortably. It has its limitations though
and I don't think you will be outgunning fully fitted Cobras. I think that is enough to fulfill its role.

the problem is that is a combat specialiced ship and cobras can out class him pretty easy in speed , when viper is suposed to be the fastest ship in the game... and is not the entry level combat ship is the last level combat ship since this game for the normal people who dont want to trade till the end of the world there are only this ships available :sidewinder,hauler,eagle,adder,viper,cobra.

 

[Lovecraft]

The Viper's role is to be a fighter and is priced accordingly. If you want a ship that can do that, as well as mine, trade and explore, then you pay the extra for the Cobra. I guess it depends on what you want your ship to do.

Unless you factor in the cost then you might as well bring the Python or Anaconda into it.

 

[fergal]

The Viper's role is to be a fighter and is priced accordingly. If you want a ship that can do that, as well as mine, trade and explore, then you pay the extra for the Cobra. I guess it depends on what you want your ship to do.

Unless you factor in the cost then you might as well bring the Python or Anaconda into it.

True.
Eagle is a specialist fighter, no one seems to be saying it fails in its role.

A class shields, thrusters and powerplant on a viper cost 500000cr each, so about 1.5 mill total.

A class shields, thrusters and powerplant on cobra cost 1600000cr each so about 4.8 mill.

There is nothing wrong with the viper as a fighter. Anyone saying the cobra is better is talking about a more expensive ship being made to specialise in combat.

Just because the cobra can be made into a better trader or miner than the viper doesn't mean a cobra that is fit out to be a trader or miner is better than a viper in combat.

The viper can be a better trading ship than the eagle, does that mean the eagle fails as a fighter?

 

[Red Fox Four]

I ran into several Cobras by the conflict zones in Durius while flying my Viper.

Some of them joined the opposite faction and I had no problems forcing them into supercruise or destroying them.

Viper simply outmaneuvers the Cobra and manages to keep guns on target much easier than the Cobra can, which means you'll strip their shields and eat at their hull before they even work your shield down.

For straight up combat the Viper is simply better, not to mention cheaper, while still sporting the same amount of firepower.

Obviously there will be useless Viper pilots and ace Cobra pilots where the Cobra will defeat the Viper.

But with equal player skill the Viper has the edge over the Cobra in a dogfight.