Is there a skill to avoid "friendly fire" incidents?

[Sandmann]

Yes exactly, the AI is not intelligent enough to recognize a meaningless accident. Let's hope it can be improved to where they can act in a halfway intelligent manner. Not sure why we are debating a problem that got solved almost immediately upon the genre's creation...

Oddly enough today's legal systems are also apparently not capable of recognising a "meaningless accident" as - if you survive the experience - you will be spending a LOOONG time in jail for "accidentally" shooting a cop.

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And with all his irrational and baseless claims shot down, having no case left to make in defence of player laziness, he reached into his bag of tricks and just falling shy of Godwin's Law, he pulled the 'fanboi' card.

Don't worry, I'm sure he'll have us all graduate from "fanbois" to "space nazis" if we continue to disagree with him long enough.

 

[Bigcheese]

Oddly enough today's legal systems are also apparently not capable of recognising a "meaningless accident" as - if you survive the experience - you will be spending a LOOONG time in jail for "accidentally" shooting a cop.

Equating shooting a person to plinking a spaceship's shields is nonsensical. It is this lack of sense that is causing your problems, I think.

For example, if you shoot a security ship once and it blows up, that would cause a reaction, accident or not and rightfully so.

It helps to think when considering issues.

 

[ste]

Nah, it's just that anyone being reasonable realizes that accidents occasionally happen. Knowledage players know that the AI and game mechanics like turrets make it even worse.

Hopeless fanboys defend the status quo. Always and forever.

Anyone who thinks you should be allowed to shoot at police with no consequence is being unreasonable, especially when the consequences are already pretty none existent when you do.

If someone shoots at me, I dont consider it friendly. And neither do the cops. If you are more dangerous than the enemy with constant trigger happy friendly fire it would probably be wise the cops treat you as dangerous as the enemy.

 

[Remiel]

Feel free to ignore the content if you wish, but I think you're still just mad over that other thread where you got shown up. Again, you guys are talking like this is some kind of new, mysterious problem. Pretty strange, don't you think?

It doesn't make sense and in game mechanics make it even worse. This isn't even complicated guys, you don't have to always pretend the game is perfect. Total waste of time.

I got shown up? Never got that memo. I do note the 'umadbro?' attempt to troll me again, probably as a result of having no sensible legs to stand on.

No one's pretending the game is perfect, just explaining to you why lazy instant-gratification console-generation players won't be catered to.

 

[Bigcheese]

I got shown up? Never got that memo. I do note the 'umadbro?' attempt to troll me again, probably as a result of having no sensible legs to stand on.

No one's pretending the game is perfect, just explaining to you why lazy instant-gratification console-generation players won't be catered to.

Well you are following me around making angry posts so...

Also if you are going to use buzz words, try to use them correctly. Elite is an extremely easy game and this isn't an issue of difficulty. So please get a hold of yourself. It's easy to leave and clear the fine.

 

[Sandmann]

Equating shooting a person to plinking a spaceship's shields is nonsensical. It is this lack of sense that is causing your problems, I think.

For example, if you shoot a security ship once and it blows up, that would cause a reaction, accident or not and rightfully so.

It helps to think when considering issues.

So using your logic... it's ok if I just shoot a cop JUST A LITTLE BIT?

No, attacked is attacked. Did you ever read 2000AD comics or see the Judge Dredd movies? Think of the law like the "judges" in that.. the whole "I am the law", "insta-justice" principle. You don't get to go to court to explain it was all just an accident, it doesn't matter that you only attacked them "a little bit"... if you attack a cop he will shoot you. Black and white.

 

[Bigcheese]

So using your logic... it's ok if I just shoot a cop JUST A LITTLE BIT?

Yes. That's the standard for game where a bunch of ships fly in close proximity shooting at each other. You don't turn on someone at the drop of a hat.

You going to condemn every game that did this? Because that's a lot of games...Usually programmers try to give AI the illusion of having some kind of basic intelligence. That's why it's called artificial intelligence. This game could seriously use some for both how they fly and how they react to things.

 

[Yabba Addict]

Stop hijacking the thread, this was one guy asking for advice, not yet another thread going on about wether it's good gameplay or not.

 

[KillaALF]

Anyone here arguing for the status quo does not disavow the fact that accidents do happen - they are a part of the learning process. Situational Awareness is very much a skill that can be trained and the tools to do so are already in game. It requires some effort and concentration, though. No combat pilot worth his salt would pull the trigger without establishing a clear picture on what is going on in the space around him first.

 

[Sandmann]

Yes. That's the standard for game where a bunch of ships fly in close proximity shooting at each other. You don't turn on someone at the drop of a hat.

You going to condemn every game that did this? Because that's a lot of games...Usually programmers try to give AI the illusion of having some kind of basic intelligence. That's why it's called artificial intelligence. This game could seriously use some.

If you're going to start trying to justify your position by claiming that "this or that game is better" I will simply suggest you go play "this or that game". If your argument can't stand on its own, it's a failed argument. Learn when to quit.

 

[Kitiara]

Well you are following me around making angry posts so...

Also if you are going to use buzz words, try to use them correctly. Elite is an extremely easy game and this isn't an issue of difficulty. So please get a hold of yourself. It's easy to leave and clear the fine.

It's "extremely easy" (your words, not mine) and yet you are campaigning to have what difficulty exists reduced?

 

[Remiel]

Well you are following me around making angry posts so...

Also if you are going to use buzz words, try to use them correctly. Elite is an extremely easy game and this isn't an issue of difficulty. So please get a hold of yourself. It's easy to leave and clear the fine.

Following you around? My my, aren't you the paranoid one.

If Elite is so easy, then it should be a piece of cake hitting only what you intend to. Which one is it? Easy, or hard? You can't have both, that would be a contradiction...

 

[Bigcheese]

Stop hijacking the thread, this was one guy asking for advice, not yet another thread going on about wether it's good gameplay or not.

Fair enough.

Turn off report crimes and stay clear of AI as best you can. They will fly in front of you so be ready. Do not suggest improvements on the forum, the game is perfect and everyone needs to just accept it.

If you're going to start trying to justify your position by claiming that "this or that game is better" I will simply suggest you go play "this or that game". If your argument can't stand on its own, it's a failed argument. Learn when to quit.

No they all do it because it's the sensible way to do things. It's really rather obvious when you think about it.

If Elite is so easy, then it should be a piece of cake hitting only what you intend to. Which one is it? Easy, or hard? You can't have both, that would be a contradiction...

Sure you can. Easy game with some badly designed system that cause minor annoyances. You need to calm down, you aren't thinking clearly.

 

[Sandmann]

No they all do it because it's the sensible way to do things. It's really rather obvious when you think about it.

Perhaps you should go play a "sensible" game then. Or better still write your own, since the "non-sense" of this one offends you so much you have to keep jumping into every second thread to loudly voice your displeasure.

 

[Vandyl]

To the OP, work on your situational awareness. Google it if you don't know what it is.

 

[Bigcheese]

Perhaps you should go play a "sensible" game then. Or better still write your own, since the "non-sense" of this one offends you so much you have to keep jumping into every second thread to loudly voice your displeasure.

No and shame on you for telling anyone with criticism to leave. That's all you just did really and you've done it many times in the past. If something can't stand up to criticism, maybe it should get looked at.

If you guys can't handle criticism, stay off the forums. Criticism is part of discussion. Blindly going around pretending the game is flawless is a waste of everyone's time.

Elite has problems that got solved decades ago. It's just dumb.

 

[Sandmann]

No and shame on you for telling anyone with criticism to leave. That's all you just did really and you've done it many times in the past. If something can't stand up to criticism, maybe it should get looked at.

If you guys can't handle criticism, stay off the forums. Blindly going around pretending the game is flawless is a waste of everyone's time. Thanks.

Yes I'm happy to admit that I suggested that if you're dissatisfied with this game that others may suit your purpose better. We all get that you don't like many things about ED from the MANY loud complaints you've made in many threads, and the many insults you've hurled at people who approve of the things you want changed for daring to disagree with you. I'm not sure if you're aware, but the difference between "constructive criticism" and "blind, irrational, fanatical condemnation" is quite wide. You've made your point, now can you please stop repeating it at every opportunity and berating those who disagree with you.

Now, while I'm happy to continue telling you what I think of your opinions all night, this thread is NOT the place to be doing it. I suggest that if you want to continue this discussion you do so by way of private message where I will be happy to entertain you further.

 

[Bigcheese]

Yes I'm happy to admit that I suggested that if you're dissatisfied with this game that others may suit your purpose better. We all get that you don't like many things about ED from the MANY loud complaints you've made in many threads, and the many insults you've hurled at people who approve of the things you want changed for daring to disagree with you. I'm not sure if you're aware, but the difference between "constructive criticism" and "blind, irrational, fanatical condemnation" is quite wide. You've made your point, now can you please stop repeating it at every opportunity and berating those who disagree with you.

Now, while I'm happy to continue telling you what I think of your opinions all night, this thread is NOT the place to be doing it. I suggest that if you want to continue this discussion you do so by way of private message where I will be happy to entertain you further.

You are describing yourself, I enjoy the game. I just don't have to have this senseless zealot attitude about it. It allows me to look at things a lot more objectively than someone who's opinion is always predetermined. You just go around telling people to quit when they bring up areas of concern. If you really wanted to PM you would have, so stop being a hypocrite.

It's funny because if the situation was reversed and the game had cops warning people, you'd argue that was better. We both know it too.

Hopefully the AI in Elite will someday match the AI from games decades old. One can only hope.

 

[Sandmann]

Fine, I see, you HAVE to be right, eh? OK, you win, you're right.

Not responding to you anymore.

 

[Remiel]

Fair enough.

Turn off report crimes and stay clear of AI as best you can. They will fly in front of you so be ready. Do not suggest improvements on the forum, the game is perfect and everyone needs to just accept it.

Suggesting improvements is fine. Asking for sweeping changes to game mechanics that you haven't demonstrated to be improvements, all to avoid having to put in the effort to learn how to fly properly, will probably met with ridicule.

How about you give him some real advice? Like, watch out for weapons fire that isn't yours striking the same target you're shooting at. It's a pretty good indication that you're on a deflection path with a non-hostile.

Or, set your sensor mode to linear and adjust the scale with page-up and page-down keys to reduce clutter.

Or, try not to spray space with gunfire. Instead, burst your weapons and assure a clean path for each trigger pull.

You know, productive suggestions instead of snarky underhanded sarkasm.