How to stop insurance whining...

This could be one of these emergent universal forces, appearing to make sure it is all proportional and healthy in the end. Back and forth they go, from Sidewinders, to Asps and Anacondas, and back to Sidewinders again. Who are we to interfere with some higher order of things? And more to the matter, what of the daily entertainment, we would be back to the same old hum-drum before you'd know it. ;)
 
The insurance thing is something people end up learning on their own, but it's wrong to just throw people at it and expect them to take it. You are actually saying it's someone's fault for being ignorant about something they have had essentially no opportunity to learn 'the right way'. More importantly, you're (and yes, I'm going there) flat out under the Dunning-Kruger effect. That is to say you are so skilled at something that you cannot empathize with someone else and you expect them to be as good or knowledgeable as you.

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude. Conversely, highly skilled individuals tend to underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.

In otherwords, for you and people who expect others to just 'get it', get your head out of your butt and realize what you are doing and understand that it is wrong. If you want someone to see your point of view, don't be a big jerk about it when you can't even properly put yourself in the other person's situation, let alone feel some kind of empathy.
 
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I would never leave a dock without the insurance payout. Plus the fact that it's pointless putting ALL of your money into the ship. What's the point in buying a bigger, better ship if you can't afford to fill it? I had heard though that you could get a loan to rebuy your ship?

My Cobra got rammed to insta-death in Gamma. I got a loan to buy it back on insurance. I must assume this feature hasn't changed.
 
Seeing people buying and flying ships they can't cover and then rage quitting just makes me feel like I'm just too old for gaming. It's just not the same hobby it used to be.
 
Problem: You die and there's not enough cash in your wallet to cover it (i.e. pay on the fly insurance).

Solution: When you buy a ship or leave the outfitting screen, you are prompted to pay cash, right then and there, to cover your new ship and/or modules.

In real life, we pre pay for our insurance coverage. As it is in game, there is no message that makes us choose. There is no check or warning that says: Hey, stupid, you just went 1cr below insurance level in your account!

Easy fix.

-WV
 
The insurance thing is something people end up learning on their own, but it's wrong to just throw people at it and expect them to take it. You are actually saying it's someone's fault for being ignorant about something they have had essentially no opportunity to learn 'the right way'. More importantly, you're (and yes, I'm going there) flat out under the Dunning-Kruger effect. That is to say you are so skilled at something that you cannot empathize with someone else and you expect them to be as good or knowledgeable as you.

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude. Conversely, highly skilled individuals tend to underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.

In otherwords, for you and people who expect others to just 'get it', get your head out of butt and realize what you are doing and understand that it is wrong. If you want someone to see your point of view, don't be a big jerk about it when you can't even properly put yourself in the other person's situation, let alone feel some kind of empathy.

Wow, Mr. Pot! I agree! That's the blackest kettle I've ever seen! [/empathy]
 
I'm going to open up a can of worms,.. MOOHAA!

How about making it more realistic,.. If you smash into someone accidentally you should pay their insurance bill? Obviously fighting is exempt from this. (The game already knows when you are having a scrap because it changes the music) but those that think it is funny to kit out a sidewinder with great shields to deliberately ram ships into the station walls "just because they felt like it" should be made to pay for it.

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Problem: You die and there's not enough cash in your wallet to cover it (i.e. pay on the fly insurance).

Solution: When you buy a ship or leave the outfitting screen, you are prompted to pay cash, right then and there, to cover your new ship and/or modules.

In real life, we pre pay for our insurance coverage. As it is in game, there is no message that makes us choose. There is no check or warning that says: Hey, stupid, you just went 1cr below insurance level in your account!

Easy fix.

-WV

That's a really good idea and a brilliant way of solving the problem! +1 here!
 
I always just laugh at them. I mean, come on, you knew this might happen, your own damn fault.
For some reason in EVE nobody cries about that, or at least never seen anybody. Maybe it's a game just for real men.
Although am not comparing EVE to Elite, or at least that's not my point.
My point is: Be real men (or women) here too. That, or be smart enough not to do stupid things.

If someone crashes your car, then what? You gonna cry and ragequit life too?
 
The insurance thing is something people end up learning on their own, but it's wrong to just throw people at it and expect them to take it. You are actually saying it's someone's fault for being ignorant about something they have had essentially no opportunity to learn 'the right way'. More importantly, you're (and yes, I'm going there) flat out under the Dunning-Kruger effect. That is to say you are so skilled at something that you cannot empathize with someone else and you expect them to be as good or knowledgeable as you.

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude. Conversely, highly skilled individuals tend to underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.

In otherwords, for you and people who expect others to just 'get it', get your head out of butt and realize what you are doing and understand that it is wrong. If you want someone to see your point of view, don't be a big jerk about it when you can't even properly put yourself in the other person's situation, let alone feel some kind of empathy.

Good post. There are a lot who simply always say "it's fine the way it is" as well, which doesn't help.

The insurance could certainly be presented to the player better. At the very least you should be able to pay that cost ahead of time. Having to keep X credits in your inventory or you lose your progress when you die is just not a very well thought out system. It's awkward and lacks refinement.
 
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Good post. There are also a lot who simply always say "it's fine the way it is" as well, which doesn't help.

The insurance could certainly be presented to the player better. At the very least you should be able to pay that cost ahead of time. Having to keep X credits in your inventory or you lose your progress when you die is just not a very well thought out system. It's awkward and lacks refinement.

I haven 't read it, cause i know the game, but isn't it into the manual ??? If yes, isn't read the manual the first step into a gamer life ??
If not, don't need to change anything to the insurance system, just need to write it in the game manual. Stop.
 
I haven 't read it, cause i know the game, but isn't it into the manual ??? If yes, isn't read the manual the first step into a gamer life ??
If not, don't need to change anything to the insurance system, just need to write it in the game manual. Stop.

Good example of what I'm talking about. lol...
 
If you can drive this car, i presume you can easly buy a second if you crash it ;)
I m riding my ASP, i can easly buy a second one if I want ;) But at least i can cover it

I can't because I spent all my money buying it and then couldn't afford the insurance!
 
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I wouldn't mind insurance working how it does in real life, with up front premiums, no claims bonuses etc. That would actually be somewhat more expensive than it is now, I expect, if the insurance companies are going to make a profit. It would also mean you would have to be even more careful as otherwise your premium would go up. Consequences, that you can't save & reload are probably the best thing about online games, I reckon... Just squished my adder, pressing the boost key by mistake on landing, -20k &scratch 1 control tower, rats!
 
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People need to start taking responsibility for themselves and their own actions, rather than blaming the game or FD for their own mistakes, like flying an expensive ship without enough money to cover theirs insurance deductible.

That would take care of the whiners.
 
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I haven 't read it, cause i know the game, but isn't it into the manual ??? If yes, isn't read the manual the first step into a gamer life ??
If not, don't need to change anything to the insurance system, just need to write it in the game manual. Stop.
The manual didn't even come out until two or three weeks after the game was released.......

Even so, you're missing the point. If you don't understand now, you will never understand.
 
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