To make 5 billion on a perfect trade route, how much time is that?

[IndexCase]

Lets assume a perfect trade troute between two systems one jump away.
Lets assume you have a type 9 with max cargo capacity of 532
Lets assume the market does not degrade.
Lets assume the profit is 3000cr / t
Lets extremely generously assume each trip takes 5 minutes and lets add 1 minute for station services. So 6 minutes

You would need to do 3135 trips.
Thats 313 in game hours of trading, or 13 in game days.
Thats 13 in game days straigh with no breaks for sleep or anything in a type 9, on a 3000cr/t one jump trade route that does not degrade.

Remember, this is in exagerated and perfect conditions.

What if you only played 5 hours a day? Well, thats 62 days, or two months. On a perfect non degrading 3000cr/t trade route.

What if you are a grown up with a job and only have time to play oh lets say 2.5 hours every day? Thats 125 days or 4 months.


So why the calculations?

According to this https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=92883&p=1447800&viewfull=1#post1447800
people who got billions from a glitch get to keep it all.

Like this guy: http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/2r3nhg/thanks_for_the_5_billion_free_credits/

 

[avow555]

Letting them keep the credits is not a good policy, very poor show by FD.

 

[WalterHWhite]

I was surprised that they could keep the credits too. It doesn't change all that much for me, though.

Maybe they could be named since there's only a handful. <50 got that amount and they had the option to turn it all in today, so there may be a lot less.

 

[Max Steele]

And my question to you is - how does this affect your game in any way at all?

Answer - it doesn't. It may make you envious and jealous, but it doesn't affect your game. Let it go and keep space trucking, just like I am.

 

[Drathmar]

And my question to you is - how does this affect your game in any way at all?

Answer - it doesn't. It may make you envious and jealous, but it doesn't affect your game. Let it go and keep space trucking, just like I am.

Until they start using tricked out pythons and condas in conflict zones/ganking people who have no chance against a ship of that size. Let's be honest, 2 players of fairly equal skill, if one is in a viper and one in a python, the python is going to win 9 times out of 10. So having money DOES give them an advantage.

 

[Hayta]

HOW can you say that max, SO I am going to the conflict zone and there is that fully fitted conda blasting everyting apart, then he start ramming ppl. HOW DOES IS EFFECT ME IN AN MMO GAME DEAAAR GOOOOOOOOD

 

[IndexCase]

And my question to you is - how does this affect your game in any way at all?

Answer - it doesn't. It may make you envious and jealous, but it doesn't affect your game. Let it go and keep space trucking, just like I am.

There is right and there is wrong. Envy does not factor into it. This is pure wrong, there is nothing just when some random people get to skip the line or not do the work while everyone else has to. That is what es me off.

Let me ask you this. If some people in your company could skip paying taxes, would that affect your life? Would you mind?

 

[Closet_Monkey]

Seriously?
Who cares....
They get a short cut to loads of credit yes. but they, and we know they did not do it legitimately.
Not to mention the fact that they were given option what they would like to do, personally i would have my account set to before the error. That kind of glitch is the kind that will nag you for the rest of your playtime with that particular instance.

Even if they want to keep it, how does it affect you or me? I could not care less.

 

[Max Steele]

There is right and there is wrong. Envy does not factor into it. This is pure wrong, there is nothing just when some random people get to skip the line or not do the work while everyone else has to. That is what es me off.

Let me ask you this. If some people in your company could skip paying taxes, would that affect your life? Would you mind?

Ah, but the difference between your example and this act is - this is just a game. It's not affecting anyone's life. And it's not affecting their game either.

And guess what? I'm playing the same game you are. It doesn't affect my gameplay how much credits other people have. You have the choice - keep playing the game, or stop playing. I've chosen to keep playing the game. Which one are you choosing?

 

[IndexCase]

Seriously?
Who cares....
They get a short cut to loads of credit yes. but they, and we know they did not do it legitimately.
Not to mention the fact that they were given option what they would like to do, personally i would have my account set to before the error. That kind of glitch is the kind that will nag you for the rest of your playtime with that particular instance.

Even if they want to keep it, how does it affect you or me? I could not care less.

Because it is not right.

 

[Unpleasant]

And my question to you is - how does this affect your game in any way at all?

Answer - it doesn't. It may make you envious and jealous, but it doesn't affect your game. Let it go and keep space trucking, just like I am.

I've been in a conflict zone tonight and seen pythons and anacondas. 1 anaconda even engaged me as I was killing enemy ships.

Fact is they allow people to cheat their credits and buy cheated ships, they allow those same people to use those ships to interfere with my ability to win the race to elite competition.
They aren't running a fair competition, which by law they are required to do.

Would probably be fairer to give everyone 5 billion credits. If that would ruin your game, buy some anacondas, hit the self destruct and jump in a sidewinder, rinse and repeat until you have similar credits to what you had before you got the 5 bill.

 

[Rall]

Lets assume a perfect trade troute between two systems one jump away.
Lets assume you have a type 9 with max cargo capacity of 532
Lets assume the market does not degrade.
Lets assume the profit is 3000cr / t
Lets extremely generously assume each trip takes 5 minutes and lets add 1 minute for station services. So 6 minutes

You would need to do 3135 trips.
Thats 313 in game hours of trading, or 13 in game days.
Thats 13 in game days straigh with no breaks for sleep or anything in a type 9, on a 3000cr/t one jump trade route that does not degrade.

Remember, this is in exagerated and perfect conditions.

What if you only played 5 hours a day? Well, thats 62 days, or two months. On a perfect non degrading 3000cr/t trade route.

What if you are a grown up with a job and only have time to play oh lets say 2.5 hours every day? Thats 125 days or 4 months.


So why the calculations?

According to this https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=92883&p=1447800&viewfull=1#post1447800
people who got billions from a glitch get to keep it all.

Like this guy: http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/2r3nhg/thanks_for_the_5_billion_free_credits/

13 days ingame time is basically nothing for the hardcore gaming crowd, It wouldn't surpise me if there arn't already legit billionaires in the game already. In a few weeks there'll be many, many more.

Are you going to "compete" against these people as well? It's honestly not worth worring about, there is always someone with way to much time on there hands grinding away in these kind of games.

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I've been in a conflict zone tonight and seen pythons and anacondas. 1 anaconda even engaged me as I was killing enemy ships.

Fact is they allow people to cheat their credits and buy cheated ships, they allow those same people to use those ships to interfere with my ability to win the race to elite competition.
They aren't running a fair competition, which by law they are required to do.

Would probably be fairer to give everyone 5 billion credits. If that would ruin your game, buy some anacondas, hit the self destruct and jump in a sidewinder, rinse and repeat until you have similar credits to what you had before you got the 5 bill.

Except they Frontier advised they arn't allowed to compete in the Race to Elite if they choose to keep the credits. If your that worried about kill stealing, exit and login again, new instance people are gone.

 

[CmdrZaratan]

I believe a maxxed out Anaconda comes in at less than a billion credits, so what are they going to do with all that cash? Really hard core introvert players will already be at that level (and people are saying the Python is the better ship anyway which is much cheaper).

Your maths actually shows it's easily possible for people to already be there in maxxed out Anacondas (Once you change the numbers to be less perfect and factor in how much time has elapsed since no gamma wipe was announced and allow for 8 hours sleep a night) if they're willing to sacrifice sunlight and personal hygiene for something illusory.

Also how long does a maxxed out Anaconda last against 3 maxxed out Cobras or Vipers? If someone is being a pillock with their new found wealth in story arc conflict zones we can deal with it.

If I'd gotten the 5 billion windfall I'd be taking the option to hand it back, no question. The game is just more fun in smaller ships at this stage.

 

[Unpleasant]

13 days ingame time is basically nothing for the hardcore gaming crowd, It wouldn't surpise me if there arn't already ligit billionaires in the game already. In a few weeks there'll be many, many more.

Are you going to "compete" against these people as well? It's honestly not worth worring about, there is always someone with way to much time on there hands grinding away in these kind of games.

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Except they Frontier advised they arn't allowed to compete in the Race to Elite if they choose to keep the credits. If your that worried about kill stealing, exit and login again, new instance people are gone.

Wrong, they can keep their assets but rollback rank and credits.
So they buy lots of anacondas, rollback sell anacondas and they're still in the race and still have billions.

And like I said, if they can use those ships to interfere with my ability to win a competition it's fraud.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Thats 313 in game hours of trading, or 13 in game days.

In 6 months time there will be plenty of Billionaires in the game .. to a new player, is that fair ?

Don't stress over it .. it's not that big a deal.

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Wrong, they can keep their assets but rollback rank and credits.
So they buy lots of anacondas, rollback sell anacondas and they're still in the race and still have billions.

And like I said, if they can use those ships to interfere with my ability to win a competition it's fraud.

That is not one of the options on offer - If you read FDs post on the matter they can either keep the money and be out the race, or receive a rollback. The forum post that someone put up in another thread (AFAIK) is not genuine.

 

[Ouiche]

And my question to you is - how does this affect your game in any way at all?

Answer - it doesn't. It may make you envious and jealous, but it doesn't affect your game. Let it go and keep space trucking, just like I am.

It's not even one anaconda, it's the ability to use that money to flip a market, influence a faction change and so on. A single guy could simply load his type 9 with 500 tons of a specific supply, exit the station, jettisson everything and repeat until the station run dry. A decicated player could dry all non-lethal weapons / personnal weapons / reactive armor 50ls from a system in conflict in a day.

Plus, in a corp / guild, he can "give" a class A python to 20 members and still have enough to mess around.

It's not very important right now because conflicts and factions don't do anything, but it might be in the futur.

 

[Drathmar]

Wrong, they can keep their assets but rollback rank and credits.
So they buy lots of anacondas, rollback sell anacondas and they're still in the race and still have billions.

And like I said, if they can use those ships to interfere with my ability to win a competition it's fraud.

Do your damned research. They said if they notice people doing this (buying multiple assets then giving back) they will deal with it on a case by case basis like exploits.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

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[Rall]

Wrong, they can keep their assets but rollback rank and credits.
So they buy lots of anacondas, rollback sell anacondas and they're still in the race and still have billions.

And like I said, if they can use those ships to interfere with my ability to win a competition it's fraud.

Not true.

If we see that someone has gained an un-fair advantage (as per the regular rules of the competition) they will not be eligible for the competition. Further-more, if we see someone has asked for option 2 after "banking" a stack of assets, we shall get back to them and address this individually (as this would be seen to be unfair). It'll be fairly clear who is gaming the system.

 

[Closet_Monkey]

it's fraud.