Lets test this persistent universe and see if FD are true to their word.
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Good stuff!
We are still doing very little to LFE though. I am really starting to think we are going to have to change tactics to damage them.
We could spend Saturday doing missions and trading out of the LFE stations and see if it does anything? Just one night? Then if we see a sudden change we will know?
I am suggesting we leave this until Saturday night just to give people enough time to becaome clued in and ready for the change?
Thoughts?
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Where did you get that information?
System Map
System map only shows you the factions that own stations though...
No, it doesnt.
http://imgur.com/a/ILBfG
Use both mouse buttons and drag cursor away from the star into the empty space after opening system map.
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Good info. It's not exactly intuitive though - a tab on the System map for factions in the system which also showed what state they were in would be very useful.
I am printing this again so as not to get lost in the thread. Feedback?
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I've created a Google Docs spreadsheet with the Influence percentages that I could find from the start orfeboy and Flin's efforts to where we are now - thanks to all who posted up influence details that I've used!
If any long-term supporters have a Google account and would like to contribute, please PM me with your Google email address!
What's interesting to me is how it shows that we gained from the LDF, with a lesser percentage from LFE and (the already small) Dominion. LDF is pretty much used up now so it's a much more straight one-on-one fight with LFE. And you can also see quite how dramatic our early gains were and why it felt like failure when we stopped gaining and lost some influence. In the end it turned out not to be such a big fall.
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Just spotted the blip in the data on 31st - fixed on the spreadsheet.
Thanks for this. Ihave however mentioned this before. We have been doing a lot of damage to LDF and have sucked all their influence out and over the course of all of this have done very little to the LFE faction. This is why I was saying last weekend that maybe we should actually be trading in the LFE ports instead of boycotting them. IF you consider that when our ships bring in the goods it shows the population there that it is CSG that brings in what is needed it damages the power influence LFE has over that station. In other words it sets up competition for their markets as other suppliers are bringing in the goods instead of their ships.
This sort of discussion though only serves to confuse people so I state again that we will continue what we have been doing at least until this weekend. I would prefer to keep everyone doing the same thing so we can actually judge the situation with some sort of accuracy.
Having said all that, below are the tactics we have been following and should continue. What we have been doing has been gaining ground and so until it stops we should not stray from it:
-Keep bringing in non-lethal weapons and sell them ONLY at Crimson State Group controlled stations. You can see who owns a station in the system view map.
-Choose Perunario Orbital as the main station to do CSG missions from. we are attempting to flip this station. Do not buy goods there do only missions.
Missions you should be doing:
-Fuel the arts of war missions and all military based missions should be the mainstay of missions we do now. We are trying to push civil unrest up and Lock-down down in the opposition controlled stations.
- Keep trading the above commodities with our own stations.
After the weekend I may try to get everyone to try the opposite tactic as mentioned above but for now just keep doing the same as metioned in the coloured text shown.
Quote Originally Posted by Nightstorm View Post
I've created a Google Docs spreadsheet with the Influence percentages that I could find from the start orfeboy and Flin's efforts to where we are now - thanks to all who posted up influence details that I've used!
If any long-term supporters have a Google account and would like to contribute, please PM me with your Google email address!
What's interesting to me is how it shows that we gained from the LDF, with a lesser percentage from LFE and (the already small) Dominion. LDF is pretty much used up now so it's a much more straight one-on-one fight with LFE. And you can also see quite how dramatic our early gains were and why it felt like failure when we stopped gaining and lost some influence. In the end it turned out not to be such a big fall.
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Just spotted the blip in the data on 31st - fixed on the spreadsheet.
Thanks for this. Ihave however mentioned this before. We have been doing a lot of damage to LDF and have sucked all their influence out and over the course of all of this have done very little to the LFE faction. This is why I was saying last weekend that maybe we should actually be trading in the LFE ports instead of boycotting them. IF you consider that when our ships bring in the goods it shows the population there that it is CSG that brings in what is needed it damages the power influence LFE has over that station. In other words it sets up competition for their markets as other suppliers are bringing in the goods instead of their ships.
This sort of discussion though only serves to confuse people so I state again that we will continue what we have been doing at least until this weekend. I would prefer to keep everyone doing the same thing so we can actually judge the situation with some sort of accuracy.
Having said all that, below are the tactics we have been following and should continue. What we have been doing has been gaining ground and so until it stops we should not stray from it:
-Keep bringing in non-lethal weapons and sell them ONLY at Crimson State Group controlled stations. You can see who owns a station in the system view map.
-Choose Perunario Orbital as the main station to do CSG missions from. we are attempting to flip this station. Do not buy goods there do only missions.
Missions you should be doing:
-Fuel the arts of war missions and all military based missions should be the mainstay of missions we do now. We are trying to push civil unrest up and Lock-down down in the opposition controlled stations.
- Keep trading the above commodities with our own stations.
After the weekend I may try to get everyone to try the opposite tactic as mentioned above but for now just keep doing the same as metioned in the coloured text shown.
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As for me and some other cmdrs i cant do this because i am completely hostile towards LFE. I get shot immediately if i come near any LFE station and even get no docking permission anymore at LFE outposts.
For now i would suggest to start only doing CSG missions at "Hartsfield Market" for anyone who isnt hostile with LFE instead of "Perunario Orbital" because its the main world in Lugh and seems to have the largest population. Maybe we can draw of more influence from LFE towards CSG there.
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Thx i completely forget about that
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I am also hostile to LFE but find I can fly into their stations while under fire. They don't do much damage as long as you keep your head and ask for docking permission.
What I am suggesting is that we wait until Saturday night. For now we continue what we have been doing. Then we have one full day where players can trade and and do CSG missions out of the LFE stations. After this single day of experimentation if there is a rise in CSG and a drop in LFE we will know that this is the prefered tactic. Anyone reading this please respond so we get a good idea everyone has seen it and we can confirm it as the tactic for Saturday.
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orfeboy, are you thinking that on Sunday (unless before then we decide differently) we do exports from CSG to LFE? Otherwise I'm not sure I follow how trading from LFE ports will do anything other than boost their influence.
Well when we do missions for CSG in LFE ports we damage them. I believe this is because what we are doing is setting up competition in their stations. I also believe that when you do a delivery mission from Lugh (CSG mission) to another system that the results show you the effect on CSG and another faction and a 1% rise. It is my theory that what you see in those results are your effect on that actual station. It is not CSG getting a boost back in Lugh but actually in that station outside Lugh. The 1% is not 1% rise in overall influence, it is a rise of 1% in the influence of that individual station. All the stations in a system making up the whole and the average influence of all these stations combined deciding the current standing of all the factions within that individual system. This I believe is what causes the 'Expansion' state you have seen in 'pending states in some other systems.
Based upon all of this I do not think it is crazy to think that we may have been looking at all of this all wrong and that by bringing in goods to the oppositions stations what you are doing is actually competing with the usual suppliers to that station. Just like you do when you do missions to deliver to the stations outside the Lugh system. You may find that when CSG ships deliver cargo to LFE stations they provide what the station needs and therefore the business starts to rely on that trade and therefore CSG influence grows in that station.
This is only a theory I have been thinking about for a while but the fact that over the course of all of this we have actually done very little damage to LFE and the fact that they did own 4 stations in the system that we have not been trading with does start to set alarm bells off in my head. We have only recently taken 10% from LFE over the course of the whole campaign and that 10% may have been stolen from whatever hold they had within the other stations.
This is not a final decision for Saturday but I would like to put it up as a course of action and see what people think of it.
If we try it for one day we should see either a positive or a nasty negative and then we will know.
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Hmm, so delivery missions have just been creating tiny levels of CSG influence in the Sesuang and LTT 4846 systems? Yes, that does make a lot of sense, and suggests that those are at least for now a waste of our time except for deliveries within Lugh.
Those of us with Type 6s should be able to shift a lot of cargo within the system - I'm currently kitted out for 108t.
Rather strangely I'm Allied with LFE (don't shoot me!), which I think is just because my trading in far-away sectors over Christmas was within Federation space when FD changed the levelling. So no problem doing runs to their stations.
Those of us with Type 6s should be able to shift a lot of cargo within the system - I'm currently kitted out for 108t.
Rather strangely I'm Allied with LFE (don't shoot me!), which I think is just because my trading in far-away sectors over Christmas was within Federation space when FD changed the levelling. So no problem doing runs to their stations.
Don't get too excited. I want to see more discussion on this before we cut the red tape and everyone goes nuts!
That's weird !
I'm hostile to LFE but I can dock without beeing shot at by the station.
I try to avoid LFE ships while docking though.
A couple of interesting items:
- When deciding if we should go hostile to a faction we just shot, consider whether the target has a local bounty rather than a bounty with their own faction. Prevent people being attacked by the police after attack nearby wanted targets
- Fix only the first consequence being applied to the universe state when completing a mission
Hooray to the first one; the second one might be of significance to us given the number of missions we've been doing?
Regarding Saturday's plan, I'd say : Why would you change something that is working already?
If most of us are working for CSG in Perunario Orbital, maybe that would explain why the progression is slower than when we first have been working there.
When Balladin flipped, there were almost no influence change. So my guess is that Perunario Orbital is about to flip and that we should keep going.
If most of us are working for CSG in Perunario Orbital, maybe that would explain why the progression is slower than when we first have been working there.
When Balladin flipped, there were almost no influence change. So my guess is that Perunario Orbital is about to flip and that we should keep going.
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