Elite Dangerous no longer an MMO?

Nope, not true... We´re not doomed... The guys playing ED and havin fun aren´t doomed... But in the last couple of weeks there were decisions i can´t handle with. What is ED going to be in a few months? In a year? And pls don´t tell me it´s going to be the #1 spacesim of epicness! Cause it won´t... And i don´t give a .... about Reviews! Seriously?

You should say 'in my opinion', because that's what it is.
 
If a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, will elite still be an MMO?

Depends on whether it is a tree surrounded by thousands of other trees all the time, or a tree that is only able to experience the existence of the forest with 31 other trees at any given moment.
 
In "the real world" I hear the word jealous used in place of the word envious. Doesn't suddenly give them the same meaning. It just makes the speaker wrong

In "the real world" I frequently hear people call Sydney the Capital of Australia. Maybe we should tell the Canberrans that they have got it all wrong?

Mostly, however, in the real world I hear people using the correct words for the concepts they are attempting to discuss because as an intellectual I spend most of my time surrounded by other intellectuals. I don't hear the Urban Dictionary's idea of what stuff is because I associate with people who know better. I don't need to look up everything on Wikipedia because I spend my time with people who WRITE real encyclopaedias not those who misunderstand them.

You are referring to opinion and taking the stance that opinion will supersede fact if stated frequently enough. This isn't really the case. Of course people are entitled to their opinion but if they state opinions they are left liable to be shown to be wrong by fact. The reality is there are a lot of people in this world who don't know as much as they think they know about the topics they opine on.

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OK, now you have just ascended into insults. I'm sure you believe that somehow strengthens your case but it won't make you any less wrong.

Reading more and writing less may help. Grab a book and educate yourself instead of just trying to suggest that being educated is somehow less desirable than being uneducated.

I get that you disagree with me. I disagree with you. If you can back up your argument with facts then do so. If all you have is insults and Urban Dictionary then you aren't really going to get very far in a serious debate.
 
<snip> Look 1984 is behind you and does not exist anymore. Now for my laughs. According to the majority of the people here any game this day and age that accesses the internet is an MMO. Call of Duty is an MMO, Battlefield is an MMO and Skyrim is an MMO(because so many people play the game and have internet:rolleyes:). ED is a pathetic excuse of an MMO and FD lied and duped people into buying it <snip>. At most ED is a basic run of the mill multiplayer game that if you are lucky, you might see another player and even be luckier to enter he same instance as another people before the server falls apart. The only people who keep clapping and cheering about the game are the 1984 white knights.
 
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OK, now you have just ascended into insults. I'm sure you believe that somehow strengthens your case but it won't make you any less wrong.

Reading more and writing less may help. Grab a book and educate yourself instead of just trying to suggest that being educated is somehow less desirable than being uneducated.

I get that you disagree with me. I disagree with you. If you can back up your argument with facts then do so. If all you have is insults and Urban Dictionary then you aren't really going to get very far in a serious debate.

But you are the one insulting here. Degrading others and flashing about your "intellectuality". So far your only proof has been "I have 20 years of experience on how to use words" and "Wikipedia is not a good reference". What are your reference on the term MMO? Please. Yes I want an argument...
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Because you were being unclear in your post. My recommendation is to be clearer next time.
It was quite obvious, otherwise my entire post would have made absolutely no sense. My suggestion is to read again.

And what is the threshold of player numbers where a game stops being an MMO and becomes multiplayer?
Does a game stop being an MMO when the player enters an instance? Both GW and D&DO are considered to be MMOs, yet the vast majority of the game takes place in instances with a very limited number of players. World of Tanks is considered to be an MMO, yet doesn't offer a signficantly different experience to BF 4.
This is why you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet, WoT certainly isn't a MMO. A MMO tries to have as much players as possible into the same game, and have them play together without restrictions, and that's what a MMO strives to do. Aside from Guild Wars which still allowed quite a lot of freedom, AND provided actual multiplayer mechanics, the rest aren't anywhere near being considered a MMO: people are separated, their interactions are restricted, and they don't actually try to increase their player count.
Obviously it's not all black and white, there's a grey area, and that's where Guild Wars is, but Elite: Dangerous is nowhere near that.

Right, so we're in agreement that the definition of MMO is very broad. Clearly trying to define an MMO by the number of players in any one place at any one time is both arbitrary and a nonsense, so that isn't worth pursuing either.
That's not really broad, it's quite precise, thing is, the detail isn't where you think it is, and Elite: Dangerous still doesn't fit into it.
And if a MMO can't be defined by the number of players in one place, then I don't see the difference between MMOs and other multiplayer games. It says so in the name: MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE. The multiplayer in Elite: Dangerous isn't massive, nor does it try to be.

No, no no. Again, you're conflating "poor at being an MMO" with "not actually being an MMO."
You're not reading again: having a persistent world alone doesn't make it a MMO. And then, it doesn't try to have a massive number of players interact with each other, so even if it was a MMO, it would be bad. Those are two different arguments, you're the one conflating them.

I can understand that folk are upset that ED is not delivering a very good MMO experience. I'm not trying to defend ED's MMO experience and nor am I trying to persuade anyone that because ED is an MMO (and it clearly is), that this somehow detracts from the criticisms being made of the MMO experience.
Seems there are enough people opposing that idea to make it not the case. People argued way less about Guild Wars, if that can give you a reference point, so Elite: Dangerous is less of a MMO than Guild Wars. There's not much remaining.

And then we've focused the discussion on the "massive" aspect. The "multiplayer" aspect is so bad it can barel be considered one, and actually, even the "online" part is disputable. it's not even a bad MMO, it's just not one.
 
According to the majority of the ignoramouses here any game this day and age that accesses the internet is an MMO.

I haven't seen any examples of anyone saying that.
The reality is that the definition of an MMO is very broad and the range of games which fit into it is, consequently, very broad. World of Warcraft is an MMO and, apparently, so is World of Tanks. The former is a persistent world where a few thousand players on a server can interact with each other. The latter is a PvP game where a limited number of players battle each other on random maps.

ED is a pathetic excuse of an MMO
I agree. Both that the game is an MMO and that it is not a very good MMO.

The only people who keep clapping and cheering about the game are the 1984 white knights.
You sure about that?

As a single player game, I think ED does a good job in improving on the 1984 original, the 1990s sequels and also makes improvements on Oolite as well. Which doesn't mean that I think the game is free from flaws, but these are things that can be rectified over time if FD chooses to and if they want ED to be recognized as a truly good game. Right now, as a solo experience, they've got a solid foundation to build upon to make a truly good game.

As an MMO the game is decidedly lacking. And I'm being kind here.
 
Depends on whether it is a tree surrounded by thousands of other trees all the time, or a tree that is only able to experience the existence of the forest with 31 other trees at any given moment.

I just shat myself while reading this.
 
I haven't seen any examples of anyone saying that.
The reality is that the definition of an MMO is very broad and the range of games which fit into it is, consequently, very broad. World of Warcraft is an MMO and, apparently, so is World of Tanks. The former is a persistent world where a few thousand players on a server can interact with each other. The latter is a PvP game where a limited number of players battle each other on random maps.


I agree. Both that the game is an MMO and that it is not a very good MMO.


You sure about that?

As a single player game, I think ED does a good job in improving on the 1984 original, the 1990s sequels and also makes improvements on Oolite as well. Which doesn't mean that I think the game is free from flaws, but these are things that can be rectified over time if FD chooses to and if they want ED to be recognized as a truly good game. Right now, as a solo experience, they've got a solid foundation to build upon to make a truly good game.

As an MMO the game is decidedly lacking. And I'm being kind here.
I'm taking my quote that I mentioned in the "Calling on the Community to Play in Open Mode" thread.

FD is goin to die a slow and painful death because it doesn't have an online community to support it. Single player games do not get a lot of updates compared to online games because the online communities is what helps them grow. Solo/single players will not help this game grow and seeing any more future updates and content will slowly dwindle and eventually ED won't be able to afford it's only craptacular server.
 
FD is goin to die a slow and painful death because it doesn't have an online community to support it.

So the SomethingAwful.com ED community, the Reddit ED Community, THIS ED Community are all figments of our imaginations. ARE ALL THE OTHER POSTERS MICHAEL BROOKES WEARING DIFFERENT HATS?! ARE YOU MICHAEL BROOKES?!!

Mind. Blown.
 

wow wrong and rude way to go!.

Everyone has an effect, albeit individually a small one , we all DO have a combined effect on the persistent universe, therefore, it is in the literal sense an MMO.

right now the multiplayer CO OP support is somewhat broken and needs work, but still, every human in the game, whether in your instance or not IS affecting everyones game world, and the proof of this is the fact that everytime someone advertises a good trade route online in one of those trade apps, within a few hrs the trade route is gimped as people hammer it.

ESO claims to be an MMO RPG, and it has instances when a shard fills up. Does this mean it is not an MMO because there are limits to the number of players in an area?.

If FD have stopped stating MMO on their front page then I do not think it is a bad thing, as, as others have said, it is very limited right now in that respect, and certainly does not fill some of the criteria that some people have decided are VITAL to consider it an MMO - even tho dictionary definitions prove them wrong -

but it does not make FD liars or snake oil salespeople
 
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So the SomethingAwful.com ED community, the Reddit ED Community, THIS ED Community are all figments of our imaginations. ARE ALL THE OTHER POSTERS MICHAEL BROOKES WEARING DIFFERENT HATS?! ARE YOU MICHAEL BROOKES?!!

Mind. Blown.
When was the last time Skyrim got an update? They have a large website community and that's it. There is no online community because it's not "ONLINE"
 
When was the last time Skyrim got an update? They have a large website community and that's it. There is no online community because it's not "ONLINE"

Wait wait, you mean online community as in 'people playing the game together' like in the Wings feature coming out soon? Or the First Great Expedition that's already active sorta thing?
 
wow wrong and rude way to go!.

Everyone has an effect, albeit individually a small one DO have a combined effect on the persistent universe, therefore, it is in the literal sense an MMO.

right now the multiplayer CO OP support is somewhat broken and needs work, but still, every human in the game, whether in your instance or not IS affecting everyones game world, and the proof of this is the fact that everytime someone advertises a good trade route online in one of those trade apps, within a few hrs the trade route is gimped as people hammer it.
And that it what's fundamentally flawed with the game. I've read so many threads about people not being able to change the influence of systems and no duh, when you have another thousand solo players duking it out but don't know, LMAO. It's a stupid system and is not immersive, is not online and is not massive.

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Wait wait, you mean online community as in 'people playing the game together' like in the Wings feature coming out soon? Or the First Great Expedition that's already active sorta thing?
Wings feature is a joke. Making 4 man groups does not make an MMO. Man you white knights are thick.
 
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