The Good and the Bad, a reminder to carry Insurance.

No, this is not another thread to say the system is broken. Its intended to be a reminder what can, and will, happen if you don't cover the rebuy for your ship. there is just about a daily thread where someone "finds" this well hidden part of the game play mechanic. So, before we dive into customer reviews of the Elite Dangerous Insurance there are a couple points to illustrate it. i added some highlights to the pictures below to make it more obvious.

1) ALWAYS check your right hand screen (4 key by default) and check the bottom corner before launch.

2) The Good, this is how it SHOULD look
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3) the Bad, if it looks like this, you may want to sell some modules before you take off or make more money first by using a cheaper ship.
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4) the Loan, this goes up to a MAXIMUM of 2̶0̶0̶'̶0̶0̶0̶ 600'000 credits, this is intended to help newer players as the Game in its current form expects you as a player to be little responsible
after a while and work within the game mechanics for this. Basically anything after a Cobra yo need to really start paying attention to your finances as the loan won't cover
a full rebuy anymore.

5) the golden rule: "Don't fly what you can't afford" there, i said it, as it has been once or twice before. remember you CAN fail in this game unlike many others you may have played before

6) the reason: Mr Murphy and his Law. He is alive and well. He's lurking in the shadows just behind you, ready to pounce you the first chance he get. Fly dirty? you betcha he's just looking for a chance, be that another player, an NPC type 9 or a bug he'll try to send something your way to make a point and prove his Law. anything can go wrong, it will.


here are some customer reviews on the way it works, i start out with how i learned this, back in Beta still

During Beta i worked my way up to a shiny asp stuck some guns on it and thought, hell lets see what this thing can do, heading out with a more or less stock asp and a bunch of guns on it to a resource site and engaging the local pirates, had a blast too until i lost situational awareness and kissed an rather large rock at a fairly high speed. Incidentally, that was when i did learn about insurance and more particular, insurance caps. so, now we are back in a shiny new sidewinder, frustrated but wiser. This was not what made me want to walk away tho, i went like OK, fine, lesson learned, lets do better. so back at it, trading, wheeling and dealing. working my way back up to another asp, this time i make sure i got plenty extra cash and i put some modules in as i learned more how all this works together. after a bit of trading and equipping with better modules, i got that itchy trigger finger again and went to a conflict zone around Eranin and went to the one with the capital ship as i haven't done much combat up until then i figured it be a good place to get my feet wet, learn how this ship handles and all that. shooting at some guys there nailing a few i taken a tight turn and suddenly look at the side of the capital ship.... close enough to inspect the details of its welding seams. woops. hey, no big deal, right? i did learn my lesson that first time, about insurance and all? well, one scowling claims adjuster later, i hop into that new asp he grudgingly coughed up. given, i am rather miffed at that point ticked off that i just wiped out a lot of the profits i had to pay the co-payment on that, and take of with some unneeded elan and some goods in the hold to go trade and make money back since i am apparently useless in the situational awareness department, engaging thrusters, gear up, heading for the exit, line up, boost... oh, hello Type 9 just where did you come fro...BOOOOM.

wow, sidewinders sure are cute..... (i still hear the guy from the insurance laughing) that made me turn the game off and my desk still has a indention in the middle oddly shaped like my face. i ended up taking the rest of that day off ED but in the end the draw was to strong and i started back up, far more cautious and keeping my fingers off the boost key untill i am well clear of the station (note, my situational awareness has improved since and i refrained from smacking anymore ships into rather large objects :p)

There are tons of Threads on this on the forum, so here are a few Examples.

Greetings to all pilots. I'm more than a month, and I really like the game. But yesterday there was an event that I can not be considered fair. I'm saving up for a mechts Imerial Clipper bought him expensive equipment and still have some money. Played neatly almost never died for stupid. But because of a bug accidentally crashed in Lacon Type 9, and now I can not get my ship back. On the insurance screen, I have 0 existing loan. The loan for a replacement Imperial Clipper is 460к. My max loan is 200k CR. The ship is 22 million, but due to the fact that not enough what that 200,000 should I start the game again and lose a month, I think it's not fair. Why max loan does not depend on the price of the ship and always 200 thousand?
Lost a month of playing 50 euros and got nothing....
In any online game you can not lose a whole month of work due to a bug, I think it is not fair and not right. The game is pretty hardcore but should not at once destroy the desire to play it again. This is not a real examination of the developers, who does not the gameplay more interesting, and it completely kills.

Yeah I've had enough of this stupid game and it's idiotic mechanics. Why?
I have an Asp Explorer, great ship, took me ages to get the 6.5 million credits.
Some bad guy in a Python pulls me out of super cruise and destroys it. Fine, that's how it goes right?
On the insurance screen, I have 0 existing loan. The loan for a replacement asp (no extra equipment) is 211,683 CR. My max loan is 200,000 CR.
Basically I can't get the ship back. All i'm allowed is a Sidewinder, and 1,000 credits.
That's right this game is FORCING me back to square 1. Weeks of trading, and playing, and it's all gone because 1 Python player murdered me.
Now, I could accept this, if I could get another ship. Fine, I'm only allowed 200,000 credit loan right. That's loads for a cobra, or a type 6 transport. Why not offer me one of those?
There is absolutely no way I'm going all the way back to a Sidewider and 1,000 credit. I'm not spending frigging WEEKS playing again just to have this happen.

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made it with endless trading to an ASP.... but afther login i was shot by the station and there i was back to nothing...
7 million credits down the drain because i could not redeem the ship with the insurance.... back with the free sidewinder...
and not any refund of the made credits...​
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I did something mildly stupid, but that totally reset the game for me. It took me about a month to get to the point I'm now at, and now it looks like I have to start all over. Yay, fun. Not. 
So I had an Asp, a Viper and about 700k credits. I loaded up the Asp with 660k credits worth of haulage and crashed it. Bad, I thought, but at least there's the insurance.
Yeah, well. I had two choices:
1) re-buy the Asp for 270k.
I couldn't do that, since I only hat 40k in cash left and the total loan limit is 200k. So I was 30k short of even re-buying an empty Asp.
2) Get the free Sidewinder.
So I got the free Sidewinder. And nothing else, of course. So now I have an empty Sidewinder, an empty Viper and some small amount of cash - simply because I didn't have the chance to cash in the Viper to re-buy the Asp. I guess I lost about 8 million credits in this crash and now have to start all over from the beginning.
I think there's a bit of a flaw in the system here. If I take the free Sidewinder, I should at least be reimbursed for the loss somehow. I mean, either the insurance pays about 7.7M in one case or they pay 30K in the other, leaving me with nothing else. That's a pretty weird deal if you ask me.

Just got my Type 7. Filled with cargo and I get interdicted for the first time on my trade route, EVER! Master Viper, destroys my modules, I'm stuck. Yes I had shields.
Not enough credits for insurance. Back to Sidewinder with 2900 cr.
Maybe my own fault but still... too painful. Leaving the game. Be a warning to others - time sink and every minute can be wiped in the blink of an eye. Was playing since Beta... and I refuse to waste more time. FD, you have a problem here... not that you care and probably wont see the post. I've done nothing but praise this game, I still love it, but not with this in the back of my mind. I would have rather spent some quality time with my wife. Not going back to the Sidewinder which is now starring me in the face!
Simply not worth playing anymore. Good bye CMDR's

I just lost all my progress hours of work because I bought a more expensive upgrade then I meant to, which put me under the re buy limit. Timed with my first and only death in countless hours of game play. Honestly whats the point of having a loan to re buy system if the max loan is less then the cost to re buy the ship alone, not even any of the items....
No other game has such harsh death penalties, especially as for the majority of people all of their assets are tied up in the ship....
So now I have a choice either stop playing or replay 30+ hours in order to get back to where I was...
oh and if all you can post is some reworked statement about not going below rebuy value don't waste your time! This is posted in the hope that if enough people comment on this topic maybe something will get done about it.

i seriously have no more incentive to play, i understand if i get my ship destroyed by my own, such as running into a wall, accidental boost, being killed ect. but if i exit hyper space to go into a station, im sure its not normal to arrive at inside the wall of the station and explode.
i really love this game, but now i have not a single incentive to play. i mean i lost it to a bug, how do i know this wont happen again. i worked more than two weeks for hours to get to my type 7 and got it destroyed by a bug.
and yes i know i was riding dirty with no insurance but that was a responsibility i am willing to take, but i got it destroyed by a bug, and this isnt beta anymore.
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Well, shooting at a Wanted Cobra with my just bought ASP, hit one of the Security ships by accident. I noticed the 400Cr bounty on me and thought "Well, I gonna pay that when I dock. No problem."
Then I arrived at the station, request docking, docking granted, I approach the letterbox and get scanned. Suddenly the station opens fire on me and blows me to bits in 3 seconds, no chance to react to it.
Now I am short 40k Cr to rebuy my ASP and actually close to purging Elite from my HDD.
Is this really intended? For lousy 400 credits bounty cuz I hit one Security ship for a split second with my Lasers? This sucks QQ

Those are just a few I pulled from a quick look trough my subscribed threads, some I participated in (put in quotes to keep the Thread from being a huge wall of text) there are many many more. if you think it can't happen to you, look above and remember point 6. He's out there, looking.....

I *HOPE* this thread will save a few Commanders out there the frustration of learning this the hard way but since Blue is not a good color for me and my Remlock seems faulty, I'm not really going to hold my breath.


Addendum:

If you played a while now or even since alpha or beta, your not excluded here, if anything, from observation, your at a greater risk, be that due to complacency or greed. Yes one would think you know better but you run a risk of thinking that you made it this far without any problems, what could go wrong making a few trips without enough for the insurance, that's where point 6 will raise its head.

Good luck out there my fellow Commanders, stay safe.

Blake
 
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Yes - I was out exploring when I was caught out with an "exploit correction", over 1000 Ly from inhabited space and I suddenly found myself in this situation:
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I got back as fast as possible and sold my exploration data to make myself safe again!

(Thanks to FD Support for resolving the situation today after reviewing my account and determining that I was an accidental bystander in the exploit cleanup. There were aspects of my account that made it look suspicious, and I can accept why it was flagged, but I am glad they looked closer now and set things back!)

-- Pete.
 
They should sticky this and put it next to the link for the manual....

Oh wait no one reads info given to help.
They'd rather 'learn' the hard way and then post about how unfair it all is!

It's not new players who seem to be the issue though - the thing that links many of these threads is one of two phrases -
I've been playing since beta.....
or
I've been playing for about a month now....
 
They should sticky this and put it next to the link for the manual....

Oh wait no one reads info given to help.
They'd rather 'learn' the hard way and then post about how unfair it all is!

It's not new players who seem to be the issue though - the thing that links many of these threads is one of two phrases -
I've been playing since beta.....
or
I've been playing for about a month now....

That's an observation I made too actually, I think I'll amend my original post, thanks for reminding me.
 
Murphy's law doesn't mean that anything that could go wrong will, it means that anything that can happen will happen, good or bad.
 
Here is a very nice little video a fellow commander showed me that underlines this rather nicely. like me, he learned this back during Beta and I realy hope, for good or bad, this thread helps some out there not to learn this the hard way.

[video=youtube;xdGXQI7Qvxc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdGXQI7Qvxc[/video]
 
I agree that perhaps a bit more explanation of how insurance works is in order. You should leave no chance for a person to not be aware. A pop up before launch, advising you that your balance + 200k will not rebuy your ship would be fine. However I think the majority of people who lose everything due to not having insurance were perfectly aware of the risk they were taking. They chose to take that risk.

Some people will take it in stride if they lose it all, blaming no one but themselves. Others will seek to put the blame elsewhere, and will come up with all sorts of justifications to shift the blame to the game. Most of the forum threads about insurance get started by the second group.

Impatience and greed is the number one reason for catastrophic ship loss in ED. Guys wet their pants to get the next new shiny right now
 
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Murphy's law doesn't mean that anything that could go wrong will, it means that anything that can happen will happen, good or bad.

Not accurate, I'm afraid.

Murphy's law states "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong."

It can be further exacerbated by Sod's law - which states that when it does go wrong it will do so in the most catastrophic manner.
 
Not accurate, I'm afraid.

Murphy's law states "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong."

It can be further exacerbated by Sod's law - which states that when it does go wrong it will do so in the most catastrophic manner.

Indeed was likely sods law that broke my Docking Computer way back in beta 1 causing my type 9 to crash complete with a full load of cargo while I went to make a cuppa... Another incident of similar proportions due to me being too eager to get to the station with boost saw me trading out my type 9 for a type 6 in short order when I realised I couldn't make the insurance on the larger ship!

Am guessing the latter was murphy's law as am rather fond of a pint of the black stuff!
 
Yep happened to me last night. Was flying my Asp into to station and on the way in I forgot to ask docking permission. So I went to turn around and exit and right as I started to turn I get nailed by a type 9 flown by a NPC we get stuck in the damn letter box and while I struggle to get control of my ship next thing I hear is the station guns going off and I go boom. Cargo hold full of rares gone, but lucky for me I had enough credits to cover the ship but it only left me with 1000cr so I had to end up stripping off all the mods to sell for capitol and to cover the insurance and buy some trade stock.
 
Murphy's law doesn't mean that anything that could go wrong will, it means that anything that can happen will happen, good or bad.

I thought it was:-

Murphy's Law: Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong.

and another

Sod's Law: Anything that cannot go wrong, will go wrong anyway. (It turns out this is actually another of Murphy's many laws.

(And both apply strongly to Computers and Software Development and especially live demonstrations of both to customers).

[Edit - after some research, I find Sod's Law to be correct as previously stated by CMDR Bansidhe and that there are hundreds of other Murphy's Laws alone and also I just spent 30mins reading them]
 
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There I was flying, thinking other commanders have learned to keep the insurance payback money and I see THIS post. Maybe its time to refresh this once again. While the loan is increased, it still won't help you cover for an anaconda.
 
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