Why does FD do this over and over when doing it right would be so easy?

olesk

olesk
I just read on GalNet that due to the replanting going on in Kappa Fornacis (Panem) after the Onionhead bombing, there would be very high demand for AgriMeds, Land Enrichment Systems, Crop harvesters and Biovaste.

"Awesome" I think, it probably won't last, but it could make trading fun for a while and give me a break from my normal trade route. I enthusiastically drag my ship over there to take advantage of this great opportunity. And what do I find? Nothing! Prices on the mentioned goods are 400-900Cr over galactic average, despite high demand.

Why on earth would they fumble something like this - it's so incredibly easy to get right. Just put up a demand that quickly deteriorates, but which starts with prices high enough so that quick traders can make a real buck. I'm not talking silly profits like on the rares initially, but just enough so that for a couple of runs, traders can be happy about having found something really cool. And let us feel like traders instead of haulers for a while.

Instead, nothing. If I want to make a good profit, I have to go back to my regular route instead. This just makes me sad - what a wasted opportunity!
 

Defacto

Defacto
Crop Harvesters are almost 900 Cr above Galactic average?
That is, you know, quite a lot

I think the problem is your regular trade route.
 

Togg

Togg
400-900 OVER galactic average is a damn fine price as you can buy them at a High tech/large population system for 800-1000 LESS than galactic average and that will net you a very tidy profit.
 

olesk

olesk
Maybe I was posting too quickly, but my regular route is around 2600/ton per roundtrip. Are any of you guys beating that trading to/from this system?
 

ElleShaped

ElleShaped
olesk said:
Maybe I was posting too quickly, but my regular route is around 2600/ton per roundtrip. Are any of you guys beating that trading to/from this system?
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Considering that most of the people I see posting throw around 1k/ton as a 'good' rate of return, being able to easily get almost 2k from these commodities, your expectations are unreasonable. It seems you have already found a Holy Grail of routes and expect this event to be better than, whereas it's just as good as instead.

Alas.
 

olesk

olesk
ElleShaped said:
Considering that most of the people I see posting throw around 1k/ton as a 'good' rate of return, being able to easily get almost 2k from these commodities, your expectations are unreasonable. It seems you have already found a Holy Grail of routes and expect this event to be better than, whereas it's just as good as instead.

Alas.
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Perhaps not the conclusion I was expecting :D

The current route I am trading is a 4 jump route in my Anaconda. It gives 2412 now (it has fallen slightly) per roundtrip (1339Cr + 1073Cr). I use TradeDangerous to find possible routes, and then work from those initial suggestions. I do rather easily find routes in the 2000-2500Cr range per roundtrip, and so do my friends (we look for routes together and compare Cr/hour). Are you guys telling me that is way beyond what most people would consider good? I mean, what I do is not very hard to repeat after all. Unless one is dead against using trading tools of course.

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Commander Dave said:
Where and what are you trading?
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Nice try :p
 

Skyfire

Skyfire
olesk said:
Maybe I was posting too quickly, but my regular route is around 2600/ton per roundtrip. Are any of you guys beating that trading to/from this system?
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Not in this system, but on our regular 'trucking' run, yes! around 1650/ton, one way and close to 1350 the other way, making close to 3000 for the round trip! Well, we were, unfortunately quite a few other players eventually found it and we see a traffic report with lots T6 and T9's going through the systems now, and the prices have eroded somewhat. Still getting 2850ish per ton per round trip though. About 13 to 14 minutes for the round trip, so 1.1mil per hour is easily done.

Where is this? Ah! That would be telling! Too much heavy traffic there already eroding it, to let many more in on it! Sorry! :)

Edited to add: The 1.1 mil per hour is with a T6. Life's too short to save for a T9 while I still have a well kitted out Cobra plus an Explorer Asp (I'm currently 500ly out beyond inhabited systems collecting lots of data!)
 
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ElleShaped

ElleShaped
olesk said:
Perhaps not the conclusion I was expecting :D

The current route I am trading is a 4 jump route in my Anaconda. It gives 2412 now (it has fallen slightly) per roundtrip (1339Cr + 1073Cr). I use TradeDangerous to find possible routes, and then work from those initial suggestions. I do rather easily find routes in the 2000-2500Cr range per roundtrip, and so do my friends (we look for routes together and compare Cr/hour). Are you guys telling me that is way beyond what most people would consider good? I mean, what I do is not very hard to repeat after all. Unless one is dead against using trading tools of course.
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Yes. Your profits are way beyond what the average trader would consider 'good'.
 

Defacto

Defacto
With that kind of profit, my guess is that you've found place with Platinum or Palladium in high supply and is selling it at a place with high demand. Or rares, of course.

If I may bring this thread just a little bit off-topic...
I hope that one day, it will no longer be viable to fill a Lakon with Tobacco and trade it at profit. I hope large-scale bulk hauling will become a thing. I have a few ideas and I plan to make a thread on this in the future...
 

olesk

olesk
Defacto said:
With that kind of profit, my guess is that you've found place with Platinum or Palladium in high supply and is selling it at a place with high demand. Or rares, of course.
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Neither I'm afraid - rares don't work when you have a Type-9 or Anaconda (at least not in Cr/hour, which is the only real measure I suppose), but I won't tell because demand and supply are both high, but infinite ;)

Still, I'm surprised not more people find it, considering that half an hour spend with TradeDangerous will find you routes like that. I'm in no way claiming to be some kind of trade genius :)

And I'm not alone, Skyfire has an even better one after all.
 

Issmir

Issmir
olesk said:
Maybe I was posting too quickly, but my regular route is around 2600/ton per roundtrip. Are any of you guys beating that trading to/from this system?
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What's your Cr/T/Hr? It's kind of hard to compare trade routes without judging by time too.

That being said, that could well be a very lucrative trade route, which would mean that a boost in demand would have to be pretty severe for it to compare to your regular route.

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Liqua said:
Just started out in the trading game to give it a go .. making 200cr/t profit .. must be doing something wrong
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Well, it helps to have some spending power too. You can't load up on gold or beryllium or what have you if you can't buy it. Keep trading and the profit margins will boost substantially.
 
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olesk

olesk
Issmir said:
What's your Cr/T/Hr? It's kind of hard to compare trade routes without judging by time too.
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Indeed! And ship matters too. 500 tonn/load or 250 tonn /load makes a big difference.

From my trading-Excel:

Roundtrip time: 12 min
Roundtrip profit / ton 2 412 Cr
Roundtrip total profit: 1 146 576 Cr
Profit per hour/ton: 12 797 Cr
Profit per hour: 5 732 880 Cr/h

Cargo capacity: 448
 

ElleShaped

ElleShaped
olesk said:
Indeed! And ship matters too. 500 tonn/load or 250 tonn /load makes a big difference.

From my trading-Excel:

Roundtrip time: 12 min
Roundtrip profit / ton 2 412 Cr
Roundtrip total profit: 1 146 576 Cr
Profit per hour/ton: 12 797 Cr
Profit per hour: 5 732 880 Cr/h

Cargo capacity: 448
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That's huge. Those numbers put you way up in the top % of traders.
 

Defacto

Defacto
olesk said:
Indeed! And ship matters too. 500 tonn/load or 250 tonn /load makes a big difference.

From my trading-Excel:

Roundtrip time: 12 min
Roundtrip profit / ton 2 412 Cr
Roundtrip total profit: 1 146 576 Cr
Profit per hour/ton: 12 797 Cr
Profit per hour: 5 732 880 Cr/h

Cargo capacity: 448
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Holy mother of Hengist Duval

Your hourly profit is almost more than the combined value of all my assets.
 
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