The Federation's secret war against the Alliance - Alioth Permit unaccessible

[_Flin_]

The Federation appears to wage a secret war against the Alliance.

A list of what is going on around Alioth:
- 78 UM has its Federation main faction at 90%. If this is intended the goal appears to be an expansion event into Alioth (where noone coulc help, because no permits)
- Alioth (by attacking Alioth Independents there... and for that you first need a permit...)
- Tiethay (pushing federation faction)
- STF 1774 (attacking only Alliance station)
- He Bo (pushing main faction to crowd out AI)
- LP 131-66, where the largest Alliance faction is facing civil unrest and the local pirates are in lockdown.
- Sheela Na Gig (Fed system) expanded, and the system it expanded to (G 123-49) has its main faction in lockdown.

78 Ursae Majoris, where the main source of missions for an Alioth permit was, doesn't offer them anymore.
All other systems, like Ethgreze or He-Bo, have their dominant Alliance faction taken over, so Alioth Independents isn't offering missions anymore.
Further signs are civil wars caused by the Federation in systems where the Alliance has only one station.
And expansion events in closeby Federation systems.

The current state:
- Alioth permits aren't possible anymore, so Alioth is inaccessible for the players that aren't allied with the Alliance.
(EDIT: They are still possible, but mission generation for Alioth Independents is scarce and sometimes the permit mission isn't being offered anymore in 78 UM. Only Sobek still has a relevant AI faction with 12%)
- The Alioth Independents get crowded out from all systems
- The Federation targets the Alliance in the Alioth area, and they target the Alliance where it hurts the most.

I don't know who is behind this, but they need to be quite a lot, and well organized. Seems to me like the effort of at least 100 people. Never the less... the results are impressive.

I just hope this is due to player actions, and not due to bugs.

 

[Grumbleweed]

Yeah, I find it all rather confusing too. Thinking of giving it up as it does seem to be wasting a lot of my game time.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=100641&p=1560709

Edit: another thought... Perhaps the very need for a permit is drawing too many commanders to run Alioth Independent missions, and they're just drying up? I still don't get why they're not spamming surrounding systems with missions to increase their influence in other places though.

Edit2: if its commanders running every single mission available though, then I'd expect the Alioth Independent faction to increase in those systems. Hmmm. I fear I might be too stupid to figure this out on my own.

 

[AluminumAlloy]

Yeah, that was probably caused by me. I was delivering superconductors, went into a USS and the mission was changed, it was said to be some spy thing with the Federation and Alliance thing.

 

[ronin516]

Another bug. The Game mechanics system and rep is soooo screwed

 

[_Flin_]

Yeah, that was probably caused by me. I was delivering superconductors, went into a USS and the mission was changed, it was said to be some spy thing with the Federation and Alliance thing.

No, that was not caused by you.

A list of what is going on around Alioth:
- 78 UM
- Alioth (by attacking Alioth Independents there... and for that you first need a permit...)
- Tiethay
- STF 1774
- He Bo (pushing main faction to crowd out AI)
- LP 131-66, where the largest Alliance faction is facing civil unrest and the local pirates are in lockdown.
- Sheela Na Gig expanded, and the system it expanded to (G 123-49) has its main faction in lockdown.

If that was all you, you play way too much. Looks like 100s of players doing organized efforts and keeping it secret.

 

[Grumbleweed]

Either a large group player action or its bugged. The odd thing is, there's no apparent way to 'fight back' as far as I can tell.

But as I say, it could easily be that I'm just not understanding the system at play here. There's really no way to tell. If it were player action, a note on galnet would explain it. That'd be more interesting than all this arcane political stuff I keep reading about on there in places that I'm nowhere near lol

 

[Xpats]

Is there a work around yet?

 

[_Flin_]

Either a large group player action or its bugged. The odd thing is, there's no apparent way to 'fight back' as far as I can tell.

But as I say, it could easily be that I'm just not understanding the system at play here. There's really no way to tell. If it were player action, a note on galnet would explain it. That'd be more interesting than all this arcane political stuff I keep reading about on there in places that I'm nowhere near lol

The way to fight back is large quantity trading.
Exporting goods from 78 UM - Rominger Dock, most expensive ones, and import cheap stuff on the way back, to raise the wealth and Influence of Alioth Independents. Take missions of Alioth Independents whenever possible.

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Updated OP with stuff happening.

 

[smsKONG]

I spotted this as becoming a likely scenario a few weeks back - I didn't post in case some bright spark went and made it happen. ...
Oh well too late now!

 

[_Flin_]

It looks like the unknowns want to create an expansion from 78 UM into Alioth.

 

[Zap T. Rowsdower]

78 Ursae Majoris, where the main source of missions for an Alioth permit was, doesn't offer them anymore.

It used to be a 100% fed system then they added the Alioth Independents there when they opened Alioth. I wonder if the 2 stations they took from the fed and gave to the AI are not bugged and still give support to the fed when you work for the Alliance there. Also the Phedka faction is basically having the same problem with 0% in Ethgreze (it's 100% for the faction who own the only station and its rare) and 1-2% in the other systems: getting missions for that faction and getting the permit is nearly impossible.

If a faction is there in order to give a permit, we should be able to at least hope for ONE mission.

Also there is a civil war in Gateway between two minor independents factions too. Lot of those everywhere at the same time.

 

[Grumbleweed]

I just found a old thread talking about bugged permits around Alioth.. I can't help thinking that attributing this to massive secret organised player action (surely Google would find some reference to it somewhere? ) is a bit optimistic.

Problem is, there's no way to tell if it is player action or a bug. If its the first one then that'd be very cool, let's rally some indies to do what we can to counter. If its the latter we'd be wasting our time until they fix it, and I don't want to waste my or anyone else's time on it. Bit of a dilemma, huh?

 

[orfeboy]

The Federation appears to wage a secret war against the Alliance.

A list of what is going on around Alioth:
- 78 UM has its Federation main faction at 90%. If this is intended the goal appears to be an expansion event into Alioth (where noone coulc help, because no permits)
- Alioth (by attacking Alioth Independents there... and for that you first need a permit...)
- Tiethay (pushing federation faction)
- STF 1774 (attacking only Alliance station)
- He Bo (pushing main faction to crowd out AI)
- LP 131-66, where the largest Alliance faction is facing civil unrest and the local pirates are in lockdown.
- Sheela Na Gig (Fed system) expanded, and the system it expanded to (G 123-49) has its main faction in lockdown.

78 Ursae Majoris, where the main source of missions for an Alioth permit was, doesn't offer them anymore.
All other systems, like Ethgreze or He-Bo, have their dominant Alliance faction taken over, so Alioth Independents isn't offering missions anymore.
Further signs are civil wars caused by the Federation in systems where the Alliance has only one station.
And expansion events in closeby Federation systems.

The current state:
- Alioth permits aren't possible anymore, so Alioth is inaccessible for the players that aren't allied with the Alliance.
- The Alioth Independents get crowded out from all systems
- The Federation targets the Alliance in the Alioth area, and they target the Alliance where it hurts the most.

I don't know who is behind this, but they need to be quite a lot, and well organized. Seems to me like the effort of at least 100 people. Never the less... the results are impressive.

I just hope this is due to player actions, and not due to bugs.

Sheela na Gig? This is just getting funnier. It is time for FD to come clean and tell us who is working on their team and putting these names in

 

[CMDRKNac]

I don't think is a secret society or a conspiracy of sorts. Is a combination of:
1) Screwed up influence system not processing things how it should. A lot of changes (not all) from weeks coming all at once in few days due to FD waking up to the fact that their system is broken and does not work. (Release a game and go on vacations for 20 days, bad idea.) We are still in beta, sadly.
2) Most of those systems had minor Alliance presence, so like in many other systems, the minority factions are getting pushed off (and in the case of He Bo is exactly the contrary, being the faction that controls most stations and resources is pushing other factions). Tiethay, LP 131, Sheela na Gig where all the stations are federation controlled...
3) The BG at work, partially ofc, because it's broken. Missions, trade runs, even bounty hunting or piracy are helping the factions in those systems and things are developing as you would expect.

What I would like is FD to wake up at once and get their act together regarding the , we cannot have it working partially (yes in some systems, no in others) because it creates this situations. Instead of blaming secret societies I'll blame FD: Alioth Independents in 78UM got in a civil war state with other faction and the system has been locked of changes for 6 weeks, draining all the wealth of the two factions involved in the war because they keep issuing missions without the situation not getting resolved (and conflict zones not spawning because it wasn't working propelly).

It sucks, but we should have tested this in beta not now.

 

[Alpha November]

I haven't been near Alioth since just after release, I did start there and I got friendly with the Alliance and tried to get the permit and then gave up and moved on. Is it not possible to get a permit to Alioth?

 

[Helvellyn]

Back before I wiped my Commander (couple of weeks ago) I'd got an Alioth permit from doing missions in 78 UM, but I also wound up friendly with the local Feds. It might've been due to also turning in any Fed bounties there and being a bit careless with picking missions I suppose.

 

[Spar]

I have a suspicion that something's gone Pete Tong after the update. Background simulation or the change they applied to the missions. Just left my usual haunt after all, and i mean all missions for the dominant faction vanished, stacks of missions for the neutrals though. Dominant faction dropped from 55% to 38% in less than a day.

deffo summit shady going on....

 

[Exard3k]

I haven't been near Alioth since just after release, I did start there and I got friendly with the Alliance and tried to get the permit and then gave up and moved on. Is it not possible to get a permit to Alioth?

Before 1.05 there were 10x as much Alioth Independents missions. With the recent changes, the Independents have basically been exterminated in the two systems you usually get your missions from.


It's also very disappointing to see the work of so many players that are active in this area is nullified (in fact the situation is worse than before).

 

[Alpha November]

Before 1.05 there were 10x as much Alioth Independents missions. With the recent changes, the Independents have basically been exterminated in the two systems you usually get your missions from.

Thanks, does anyone have the permit - was it possible to get the permit before things changed? It is on my list of things to have another go at.

 

[Exard3k]

Thanks, does anyone have the permit - was it possible to get the permit before things changed?

I have the permit and lots of other players too, but this was before 1.05.