Imperial Slavery is still Slavery!

[Sentenza]

If it is not slavery, why do they call it slavery? They could give it any other name. To me it's just a matter of Imperials being pompous jerks who think they are better than anyone else so they pretend their damned slavery is better.

 

[TANDKO]

Imperial slavers often say that Imperial slavery isn't actually slavery, it's paying off a debt. It's the lie they use to make money from other people's debt fueled misery.

Imperial slavery is slavery with a fake smiley face.
People who gets into debt trouble they can't pay back are told "hey become an Imperial slave and work off your debt", what they aren't told is that this is just the first turn around a bitter cycle of slavery and debt.

Imperial slaves aren't paid much at all. Often times, it's just a little food and an air mattress on the floor and that's it. If you had to buy a slave and then pay them, you would just hire someone normally and just pay them. That's why people buy Imperial slaves because they work for next to nothing.

Then at the end of a year or seven years (no one is a slave for a week), where you aren't paid much if anything, so you can't save anything, you're 'released', sure your debt is paid, but you have no job and often no home. You can't rent a place because you have no job, no credit, you can't get a job because your recent job history was being a slave
if you had a rielative or friend who could help you out or hire you, you probably wouldn't have been a slave to start with. So you either get extremely lucky (win the lottery?) , or you run up debt again paying for food,rent etc(if someone will loan you money) and SURPRISE!!! you have to be slave again to pay it off and the whole cycle starts all over again.

That's the ugly truth about Imperial slavery that slavers don't want to talk about. Once you become a debt slave, it's very hard to get out.
I hear that the loan sharks who loan money to newly 'released' slaves at exorbitant rates are often a front for slavers themselves and when the poor ex-slave can't meet the high payments, they offer slavery as a way out again. Slavers can sell the same person many times over.

Imperial Slavery is Slavery, except it's worse. It's slavery with a lie that it's not. Slavery, Imperial or otherwise is wrong and treats humans like commodities with no more rights than a ton of biowaste. It needs to stop.

Do I hear a rant of one of those lazy scums who ditch honor and flee to Federation space instead of serving their debt that they summoned upon themselves by their laziness and stupidity?
Now they dare to open their filthy trap and bark at our traditions! They should be grateful that upon capture from their miserable escape they won't be quartered onsite but rather sent to uranium mines.

 

[Flying Penguin]

If it is not slavery, why do they call it slavery? They could give it any other name. To me it's just a matter of Imperials being pompous jerks who think they are better than anyone else so they pretend their damned slavery is better.

Our form of slavery IS better. It has the word "Imperial" in it.

We're pompous because we have every reason to be. Being better than Fed scum in every possible way.

 

[Quineloe]

Imperial slavery is an honourable way to deal with debt that someone can't afford.

They enter into a contract with the 'owner' detailing what work is done and how much will be paid, therefore determining how long the period of work will be. This contract also lays out the conditions for how the 'slave' is to be treated, and Imperial code of honour has always demanded that slaves are well looked after. As with any regulated systems there are abuses, but that is what the authorities are trying to stamp out and remember its a big galaxy for the Empire!

Once the debt is paid they are free again as Imperial Citizens, and hopefully a lesson learned in how to manage their lives so they don't get into the same situation again!

So how many hours a day do they have to work, how many days a year and is there a cap on how long the indentured servitute may last? What about basic human rights such as privacy?

and do rich people ever become Imperial Slaves?

 

[mugendo]

If it is not slavery, why do they call it slavery? They could give it any other name......... .

Like ...Austerity Citizens ???

 

[Flying Penguin]

So how many hours a day do they have to work, how many days a year and is there a cap on how long the indentured servitute may last? What about basic human rights such as privacy?

and do rich people ever become Imperial Slaves?

Spoken like a true Federation dog. You must realise that honour is the highest imperative of man and that these "rights" you speak of are nothing more than an excuse for weak moral fibre, exactly the sort of thing one would expect from a Federation sympathiser...

 

[Whiterose]

If it is not slavery, why do they call it slavery? They could give it any other name. To me it's just a matter of Imperials being pompous jerks who think they are better than anyone else so they pretend their damned slavery is better.

As has already been said and needs repeating. they are not slaves they are Imperial Slaves. It is not slavery, but Imperial Slavery.

 

[mugendo]

and do rich people ever become Imperial Slaves?

Nope...they pass the debts over using the 'bailout' system...this Elite game sounds a lot like some other world I know ...

 

[Virgil Kyle]

Imperial slavers often say that Imperial slavery isn't actually slavery, it's paying off a debt. It's the lie they use to make money from other people's debt fueled misery.

Imperial slavery is slavery with a fake smiley face.
People who gets into debt trouble they can't pay back are told "hey become an Imperial slave and work off your debt", what they aren't told is that this is just the first turn around a bitter cycle of slavery and debt.

Imperial slaves aren't paid much at all. Often times, it's just a little food and an air mattress on the floor and that's it. If you had to buy a slave and then pay them, you would just hire someone normally and just pay them. That's why people buy Imperial slaves because they work for next to nothing.

Then at the end of a year or seven years (no one is a slave for a week), where you aren't paid much if anything, so you can't save anything, you're 'released', sure your debt is paid, but you have no job and often no home. You can't rent a place because you have no job, no credit, you can't get a job because your recent job history was being a slave
if you had a rielative or friend who could help you out or hire you, you probably wouldn't have been a slave to start with. So you either get extremely lucky (win the lottery?) , or you run up debt again paying for food,rent etc(if someone will loan you money) and SURPRISE!!! you have to be slave again to pay it off and the whole cycle starts all over again.

That's the ugly truth about Imperial slavery that slavers don't want to talk about. Once you become a debt slave, it's very hard to get out.
I hear that the loan sharks who loan money to newly 'released' slaves at exorbitant rates are often a front for slavers themselves and when the poor ex-slave can't meet the high payments, they offer slavery as a way out again. Slavers can sell the same person many times over.

Imperial Slavery is Slavery, except it's worse. It's slavery with a lie that it's not. Slavery, Imperial or otherwise is wrong and treats humans like commodities with no more rights than a ton of biowaste. It needs to stop.

God bless you for standing up for what's right! But there is an even more potent, and damning, argument against slavery, however the slavemongers try to dissemble and quibble over technicalities. I detail that in my previous thread on the subject, here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=80894

 

[thrudd]

Like ...Austerity Citizens ???

If you are in debt and unemployed in the federation, and reliant on state support, they make you work for free and suspend your benefits if you do not. How is this different from slavery?

 

[Quineloe]

Spoken like a true Federation dog. You must realise that honour is the highest imperative of man and that these "rights" you speak of are nothing more than an excuse for weak moral fibre, exactly the sort of thing one would expect from a Federation sympathiser...

Uhm I'm a Knight of the Empire, I'm merely curious...

Maybe what your parents failed to instill into you, ie some decent manners, I shall redeem with guns and lasers at some point.

 

[Valethar]

Imperial Slavery is slavery with bacon.

You should try it. Everyone knows that bacon makes everything better.

 

[Virgil Kyle]

Also, I already posted this in another thread, but it seems like an appropriate thing to post here, as well:

 

[Flying Penguin]

Uhm I'm a Knight of the Empire, I'm merely curious...

Maybe what your parents failed to instill into you, ie some decent manners, I shall redeem with guns and lasers at some point.

You call yourself a Knight of the Empire but yet you question our centuries old tradition of offering our needy the opportunity for redemption?

Pah! You are no more an Imperial Knight than Congressman Calhoon.

Watch your back sir...



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[mugendo]

If you are in debt and unemployed in the federation, and reliant on state support, they make you work for free and suspend your benefits if you do not. How is this different from slavery?

But.....you forget that a lot of citizen debt can be inflicted on them through Taxes.....
Don't pay your tax and you are in debt. If you pay, the tax is raised...the outcome is inevitable.....unpaid debt!!.
This is why many systems are revolting against taxes
Long live the revolution....and anyone I see carrying slaves will be judged as a criminal against humanity... my ship carries Justice and retribution in the hardpoints

 

[Quineloe]

You call yourself a Knight of the Empire but yet you question our centuries old tradition of offering our needy the opportunity for redemption?

Pah! You are no more an Imperial Knight than Congressman Calhoon.

Watch your back sir...



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I don't like watching my back. What are you waiting for? I'm taking my shirt off now. We're doing this right here, right now.

 

[Flying Penguin]

I don't like watching my back. What are you waiting for? I'm taking my shirt off now. We're doing this right here, right now.

I see someone's been waxing.

I can't say I'm surprised....

 

[Ydiss]

Imperial slavery is an honourable way to deal with debt that someone can't afford.

They enter into a contract with the 'owner' detailing what work is done and how much will be paid, therefore determining how long the period of work will be. This contract also lays out the conditions for how the 'slave' is to be treated, and Imperial code of honour has always demanded that slaves are well looked after. As with any regulated systems there are abuses, but that is what the authorities are trying to stamp out and remember its a big galaxy for the Empire!

Once the debt is paid they are free again as Imperial Citizens, and hopefully a lesson learned in how to manage their lives so they don't get into the same situation again!

Pray tell how such people are 'processed' in the Federation or Alliance?

They're free once their debt is paid. Or once they end up in the cargo hold of one of us and we accidentally boost into the station wall. Freedom either way

 

[Quineloe]

I see someone's been waxing.

I can't say I'm surprised....

uppercut!

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[Darkfyre99]

Imperial slavers often say that Imperial slavery isn't actually slavery, it's paying off a debt. It's the lie they use to make money from other people's debt fueled misery.

Imperial slavery is slavery with a fake smiley face.
People who gets into debt trouble they can't pay back are told "hey become an Imperial slave and work off your debt", what they aren't told is that this is just the first turn around a bitter cycle of slavery and debt.

Imperial slaves aren't paid much at all. Often times, it's just a little food and an air mattress on the floor and that's it. If you had to buy a slave and then pay them, you would just hire someone normally and just pay them. That's why people buy Imperial slaves because they work for next to nothing.

Then at the end of a year or seven years (no one is a slave for a week), where you aren't paid much if anything, so you can't save anything, you're 'released', sure your debt is paid, but you have no job and often no home. You can't rent a place because you have no job, no credit, you can't get a job because your recent job history was being a slave
if you had a rielative or friend who could help you out or hire you, you probably wouldn't have been a slave to start with. So you either get extremely lucky (win the lottery?) , or you run up debt again paying for food,rent etc(if someone will loan you money) and SURPRISE!!! you have to be slave again to pay it off and the whole cycle starts all over again.

That's the ugly truth about Imperial slavery that slavers don't want to talk about. Once you become a debt slave, it's very hard to get out.
I hear that the loan sharks who loan money to newly 'released' slaves at exorbitant rates are often a front for slavers themselves and when the poor ex-slave can't meet the high payments, they offer slavery as a way out again. Slavers can sell the same person many times over.

Imperial Slavery is Slavery, except it's worse. It's slavery with a lie that it's not. Slavery, Imperial or otherwise is wrong and treats humans like commodities with no more rights than a ton of biowaste. It needs to stop.

What you wrote above is not the experience for 99% of Imperial Slaves in the Empire. There are laws that protect slaves against exactly the kind of behavior your describing above. A slave doing a job is paid, at minimum, 80% of what a free Imperial citizen would, only their pay goes to their owner until their contract is fulfilled. Also by law, their owner is required to meet a certain standard of health care, housing, and nutrition. And by law, this standard is at the owner's expense, and is not to be counted against the slave's contracted debt. Many slave owners feel that honor requires that they exceed the minimum standards required by law, and for most they are a status symbol, a way of flaunting their wealth while helping their fellow Imperial citizens down on their luck.

When slavery is done according to law, it is an honorable and safe to way to get out of debt, to escape a bad situation, or even to better their position in life. It is better than the Federation's practice of shafting the people you owe money to by declaring bankruptcy, or living off the public dole. And studies have shown that an Imperial Slave enjoys a better standard of living, and has a longer life span, than a supposedly free citizen in the Federation, unable to get ahead due to corporate practices and the high levels of taxation in the Federation.

The reason why slavery is a contentious issue in the Empire is that some slave owners abuse the system. Dishonorable slave owners fail to meet the bare minimum the law requires, attempting to squeeze a profit off their labor. Imperial Slaves are sometimes abducted by their owners and taken outside the Empire and its protections, where slavery isn't regulated. Sometimes they're abducted and then "freed" far from home, and lack the money or connections to survive, let alone return to their family and friends. And most people who sell themselves into slavery don't have the luxury of researching who they sell themselves to, and choosing those who treat their slaves well. For most, they go into the general market, with no guarantee that some day they'll be forced into a stasis chamber, and take away by someone who feels that all slaves are the same.