Imperial Slavery is still Slavery!
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Glad you said M and S and not S and M.........The cost of shipping slaves is expensive. The rules are that the hold has to be cleaned to a finite level, especially after shipping beryllium to prevent berylliosis. So I would say its more upmarket than M&S. The reason they are so expensive is not the cargo per se, but all the Health and safety that goes with it.
And still the people are not forced to do it this way. There are other ways within the imperial space to pay his debts .
You should better inform yourself before someone knocks and sets a bounty on your head for releasing false propaganda material .
Better watch out ...
Slavery is slavery, no matter how you try to dress it up or justify it.
We know the Empire was built along Roman lines, using the 'Cliens' system. As such, it seems fairly safe to assume that their approach to slavery is similar.
To quote from the Wikipedia article on Slavery in Ancient Rome:
"Slaves were considered property under Roman law and had no legal personhood. Unlike Roman citizens, they could be subjected to corporal punishment, sexual exploitation (prostitutes were often slaves), torture, and summary execution. The testimony of a slave could not be accepted in a court of law unless the slave was tortured—a practice based on the belief that slaves in a position to be privy to their masters' affairs would be too virtuously loyal to reveal damaging evidence unless coerced."
Yeah, sounds lovely.
We know the Empire was built along Roman lines, using the 'Cliens' system. As such, it seems fairly safe to assume that their approach to slavery is similar.
To quote from the Wikipedia article on Slavery in Ancient Rome:
"Slaves were considered property under Roman law and had no legal personhood. Unlike Roman citizens, they could be subjected to corporal punishment, sexual exploitation (prostitutes were often slaves), torture, and summary execution. The testimony of a slave could not be accepted in a court of law unless the slave was tortured—a practice based on the belief that slaves in a position to be privy to their masters' affairs would be too virtuously loyal to reveal damaging evidence unless coerced."
Yeah, sounds lovely.
And powerful and influential people are NEVER going to break the law, or try to take advantage of a system of legalized human bondage. The history of slavery throughout the span of human history has ever been marked by misery and oppression and depravity, but the Empire finally managed to make it work the right way. Sure...
Discounting the bogus 'studies' you just made up, and your obvious ignorance of what bankruptcy actually is, you make good points here. The Federal government taxes WAY too much, and is beholden to corporate interests. People end up on the dole because of a strangling of good, honest (read: NOT crony) capitalism, and they stay on the dole because it's easier than working, and such reliance on government handouts suits the supporters of bigger, more intrusive government just fine, as it increases their power and influence over others. The solution is a movement for less government, and less taxes and regulations and government-corporate cronyism to go along with it. Not slavery.
Thanks for making my point for meYour bit about profit is particularly telling. Of course people want to make a profit! Everybody wants to improve their condition - Proper capitalism enables people to enter into voluntary arrangements to do so, and enables them to leave if they find the arrangement unsatisfactory. Slavery will always be a trade in human misery, no matter how you try to regulate it or dictate how it 'should' be practiced. People are going to be people, so you need a system that acknowledges and works off of that fact, instead of a fancible system that expects people to conform to an unrealistic ideal of behavior. There will never be a perfect slavemaster, as there will never be a perfect enough person to be one.
If you arnt in a political office, high up in the Military or a Corporation, then you are already a slave to a system and blind to your reality. The Federation uses the word Democracy as a tool to get the mindless masses to believe that they have any say in a corrupt system. The Empire may be tacticurn and strict, she clearly rewards those that aid her and heavily punishes those that don't, but she wont try to hide it behind toys and platitudes like your Federation does. Imperial Citizens know exactly where they stand, no illusions, no lies, there is almost a prescribed process and response to any given situation. You may not like it, but we do! On the whole it works well for us, has done for millenia and will for many more.
I find it somewhat amusing, that you are trying to argue against the Imperial system, using examples and comparisons from a twisted, devided and clearly corrupt Federation. Its ok though, we educated, free thinking citizens of the Empire, fully understand the kind of system that results in your missguided understanding or faith. Here in the Empire, we tend to keep fantasy to the bedroom. Our Empire stands Honourable, Tall and Proud.
If you freeze them in carbonite, you may get an entire franchise out of it
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this is a game forum.. we are talking systems in a game..
In real world terms, no one here is condoning slavery or its practice. There is basically some Empire vs Fed RP going on in here, so it doesnt need real world imagery or referencing interjected. because if we are going to do that we may as well also add Piracy to the list, that actually still goes on today as does drug running, gun running. and none of them are pretty. Lets try and keep the thread in the realm it is intended for and try to remember that this is a game forum.
Kind Regards
Qzi
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You Sir, are a bad boy, and i'm guessing the more bad the better eh? lol
this is a game forum.. we are talking systems in a game..
In real world terms, no one here is condoning slavery or its practice. There is basically some Empire vs Fed RP going on in here, so it doesnt need real world imagery or referencing interjected. because if we are going to do that we may as well also add Piracy to the list, that actually still goes on today as does drug running, gun running. and none of them are pretty. Lets try and keep the thread in the realm it is intended for and try to remember that this is a game forum.
Kind Regards
Qzi
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You Sir, are a bad boy, and i'm guessing the more bad the better eh? lol
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I hear he keeps his ships well supplied with fava beans and Chianti...
So true, I have certain clients that like their slaves delivered in my Clipper, definately a status thing and guarenteed they arrive with health intact. The money is always good, so im not going to complain, and by good, i mean the moneys realy realy good.
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That adds weight to the rumours i have heard regarding Morbads post piracy parties.
There is still slavery in the Federation. Its called employment over there and the slaves are housed in 'offices' and 'factories'. They are often required to toil for 40-60hrs/wk for a pittance and from that pittance they are expected to both house and feed themselves and their families. They are overseen and whipped metaphorically by 'managers' and 'supervisors'.
Beans and Chianti???
My imperial slaves prefer cheese sandwiches, fruit and Irn Bru! My kind of people as I ship them to the nearest black market!
Surely you dont mean........Fortnum & Mason Slaves?
Ill have to pipe music into the heads
Slanderous poppycock. Utter garbage. Have you actually talked to some slaves? Every single one of my slaves has better accomodations and enjoys a better lifestyle than any "middle-class" Federation wage-slave. Now, I often get told that the conditions on my luxurious spaceyacht are not indicative of the general condition of planet-side slaves, and I'm willing to concede this is the case, but I've been to a fish-processing plant in Ross 154, deep in the Federation's core, manned by so called "minimum wage" workers, and I've been to the slave-worked mines of Sanai, a frequent target of Federal slavery "denouncers". Trust me when I say that any of those poor unregulated Federal slaves - oops, sorry, "minimum wage workers" - would jump at the chance of cleaning the sewage pumps at the Veron Mines.
Iron Bru.. Made in Scotland from girders! I bet each of your slaves can do the work of 10?!
*computer record message . . . . .
It has been brought to my attention that another captain utilises a very clever transit feeding system, during transportation of his Imperial Slave. This new system will cleary produce slaves or a greater strength, making them suitable for heavy manual labour with greatly increased stamina. This vast improvement in work load will increase their sale value and also reduce the duration of their indentured servitude.. win win really.
*computer end message . . . . . *!
*computer continue message . . . . .
There is 1 slight side effect of this feeding system, it tends to produce higher levels of aggression, and some considerable change in the manner of their communication and rate of hair growth.. even with the females. still, i feel the gains outway the cons.. impliment immediatly.
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Of course, some of them are even ginger-headed for added symmetry with the drink!
Mining outposts love my slaves for it!
I think you misunderstand. They are not so much 'for the slaves' as 'accompaniments for slave'.....
You nailed it. All that pretentious talk, then in reality they're ready to sell all those estemeed, "well treated" slaves to the first scoundrel who comes by. Slavers are slavers no matter how they fancy themselves.
There is a difference between imperial slavery and charity. Charity doesn't have strings attached to either party. Imperial Slavery has a huge body of law designed to protect the rights of slaves from being abused by their owners as well as outlining the duties owed by the slave to their owner. That is the difference between Imperial Slavery and unregulated slavery outside the Empire, including supposedly free corporate employees.
You are required by law to provide food, board, and health care for your slaves. If a slave isn't working to pay off their debt, then it is your right to sell them to another Imperial Citizen. You do not have the right to deprive slaves of their rights under Imperial Law. Many slaves are purchased to be servants in wealthy homes, not in business, so the profit motive doesn't necessarily apply. You can certainly try to make a profit from the labor of an Imperial Slave, and it is certainly possible to do so. But the onus is on you, not the slave, to make that profit. A slave that is treated with honor will work much harder than one who is abused by her master. If you can't motivate your slaves, that is your problem, not theirs.
Keeping someone in perpetual debt by charging food and board is a corporate practice, it is dishonerable, and it is illegal in the Empire. If you don't want to provide food and board to someone, then hire a free citizen. Its cheaper, and there are less strings attached.
And what rights are those, exactly?