Royalty demonstrates that living off the state is not always a ticket to the poor house
..Now, where did I put that authentic crown 'Honest Joe' sold me ????
Imperial Slavery is still Slavery!
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Royalty demonstrates that living off the state is not always a ticket to the poor house
..Now, where did I put that authentic crown 'Honest Joe' sold me ????
In a nutshell....nail on the head....spotlight on the truth....and a rep point for revealing the obvious many of us have missed.
When it's fully fleshed out Imperial Slaves hopefully will be riding in passenger cabins rather than the Canisters we have now:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7276
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7276
Its no different to using a website that uses cookies.. your use of the system implies acceptance of the terms and conditions for its use. the problem isnt with the system, its with certain users within the system, some of those users just happen to be more bad than others.
Interesting discussion, I appreciate Frontier for setting up the dynamics between the Federation and Empire as a morally ambiguous power struggle between two power hungry regimes with questionable ethics. There's a definite argument to be made that those on the bottom rung of the Federation's hypercapitalist society are little better off than slaves. If you had the misfortune to have been born on a world whose government is under the thumb of one or two mega corporations and the only work available is something like subsistence wage mining in terrible working conditions where there is little hope of you ever making enough money to go elsewhere or better your situation, what's the difference between that and slavery?
There's historical parrellels to this to, before labor rights made their way to America an average industrial worker worked something like 70 - 80 hours a week to afford basic things like food and a place to live, in horrendous and dangerous working conditions with no right to strike or even collectively bargain.
So I'm not justifying Imperial Slavery or Servitude or whatever you want to call it, but I will just point out that the Federation system isn't much better,
There's historical parrellels to this to, before labor rights made their way to America an average industrial worker worked something like 70 - 80 hours a week to afford basic things like food and a place to live, in horrendous and dangerous working conditions with no right to strike or even collectively bargain.
So I'm not justifying Imperial Slavery or Servitude or whatever you want to call it, but I will just point out that the Federation system isn't much better,
My Dear Inga,
Please do not mistake my expression of views for any suggestion that I am anything other than in compliance with our glorious Imperial Code. As an upstanding Imperial citizen it is my duty to ensure I do not become akin to the lowest class of slaver imaginable, the Federal corporation.
My slaves are never charged food and board and, as required by law, are paid a stipend with which to pay off it's debts, however the value of that stipend is very much calculated on economic principles (the legality of which has been verified by the fine lawyers at Dewey, Fleecem & Howe, the finest firm of lawyers within 100LY of Achenar). If the cost of keeping a slave is greater than the value of the work being done, how can that be said to pay off it's debt? It matters not, whether it is in a noble household or it is working in one of our glorious mining facilities, the debt must be paid. This is not Charity, it is far more noble.
If any slave owner were to accept, without question, anything less than work which represented a net gain and progress towards elimination of the debt, that would make them a charity, and worse a Federal, no, much worse! an Alliance sympathiser... And that would never, ever do.
Kind regards,
Trel
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When you are in the commodities window, you can click on 'cargo space' and change it to 'occupied' was able to do this in my clipper and my python, not tested it on anything else though.
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Slavery is bad....but so is shooting people in the face, chopping their head off with an axe, blowing them up with a missile. Morality has no place in video games
im not so sure, i think that morality does have a place in games, it greatly depends on the game of course, and the context in which it is applied. In terms of the Federation vs the Empire discussion here, there are clearly moralistic arguments being used on both sides. It requires putting yourself in the shoes of a character, and seeing the world through thier eyes, considering their moral standpoint or shortcomings. It is something that suits this game well, and adds to the immersion for those that are interested.
Correct. Frontier have deliberately chosen three imperfect systems, the Federation, Empire and Alliance. If one of them was perfect them everybody would migrate there. As QziQza has stated, this about making a choice and defending that choice as part of the immersion in the game. One last point....if slavery is so bad, how come it still exists in the real world, across all continents and political systems.
At least the Empire has the guts to call it what it is. In the Federation the lower class suffers almost the same conditions as Imperial Slaves; they are in debt, work hard for almost nothing, taken advantage of, etc. How is working for only the bare minimum of necessities (food, clothing, bed) any different than Imperial Slavery other than by name?
Hi, my name is Rivka, and I was an Imperial Slave.
Don't listen to these naysayers, being a slave was one of the greatest things I've ever done. Not only did it wipe out my college debt, I also learned some valuable job skills.
Things like:
Proper wrist position when using a whip.
The correct amount of tape required to bind someone to a bed.
Care and cleaning of PVC, Leather, and assorted plastics.
How to allergy check a new personal lubricant.
Proper teardown and rebuild of the many assorted and varied Empire approved bondage frames.
Safewords, when to use them, when to ignore them!
Ropework, tying knots, and splicing.
...AND I got my degree in both business management AND accounting!
Truly, it was the best years of my life! My only regret is that I have to sit on one of those special inflatable doughnut pillows now.
Slavery, try it today!
Don't listen to these naysayers, being a slave was one of the greatest things I've ever done. Not only did it wipe out my college debt, I also learned some valuable job skills.
Things like:
Proper wrist position when using a whip.
The correct amount of tape required to bind someone to a bed.
Care and cleaning of PVC, Leather, and assorted plastics.
How to allergy check a new personal lubricant.
Proper teardown and rebuild of the many assorted and varied Empire approved bondage frames.
Safewords, when to use them, when to ignore them!
Ropework, tying knots, and splicing.
...AND I got my degree in both business management AND accounting!
Truly, it was the best years of my life! My only regret is that I have to sit on one of those special inflatable doughnut pillows now.
Slavery, try it today!
OK, then let's look at the Federation approach...
Federation demands you get a job in order to pay your taxes. They then bombard their people with ever-increasing taxes, newer taxes on whatever they can think of to tax, taxes that apply additional tax to other taxes, all topped off with a culture and way of life that forces people buy expensive (but generally unnecessary) things just to get by in society.
Those with low paying jobs eventually find prices and taxes have gotten too high for them to pay, so the Federation puts them on benefits, which are funded from the ever-decreasing number of people still able to afford taxes.
The icing on the cake is how all the richest Federation citizens make their money from investing in companies with registered offices in the Empire, meaning neither the companies nor the rich investors actually pay tax at all...
Federation citizens are slaves to the greed of the coporations and their rich-elite owners.
The difference between Federation and Imperial slaves is that the latter had the choice to sign up or not and it's for a fixed period only. Feds are slaves for LIFE!!
So, FedBoy - How do *YOU* like being a slave and being forced to pay out of your own pocket, for the greed of the rich and the idiocy of their creditless sheep??!!
Incidentally, I myself happen to be Federation born and bred (strong in the arm and thick in the head), although I'm currently in transit and en-route to greener nebulae... I suggest you follow my example.
[h=2]Imperial Slavery is still Slavery![/h]
And a nasty thing it is too.
The Pilots Federation has missions to free both Slave and Imperial Slaves.
The Pilots Federation's stance is clear.
I'm shocked by how many would be Elite members of Pilot's Federation have thrown in their lot with the Federation and the Empire rather than supporting the on ly faction that really counts form something in the Galaxay;
The faction that manages status, bounties etc. The Pilots Federation.
We are the Pilots Federation. We are Elite. Down with slavery. Up with tea cups! We are galaxy wide!
And stuff
And a nasty thing it is too.
The Pilots Federation has missions to free both Slave and Imperial Slaves.
The Pilots Federation's stance is clear.
I'm shocked by how many would be Elite members of Pilot's Federation have thrown in their lot with the Federation and the Empire rather than supporting the on ly faction that really counts form something in the Galaxay;
The faction that manages status, bounties etc. The Pilots Federation.
We are the Pilots Federation. We are Elite. Down with slavery. Up with tea cups! We are galaxy wide!
And stuff
Hey I know a guy willing to take any transit loss off your hands for a reasonable price.
He lives in Lave station, right above Discount Dans Taxidermy And Totally Not At All Made From Dead Bodies Mannequin Shop. Nice guy, but whatever you do, don't accept his offer of a glass of tea. DON'T ACCEPT THE TEA!
It's not cause there's anything wrong with the tea, he just brews it for entirely too long.
The difference is that poor Federation citizens are still citizens, with the same legal rights and protections as any other citizen. Imperial slaves are property, not recognised as citizens, and do not have the same legal rights and protections as Imperial citizens.
If you really think those are the same thing, I would seriously suggest a little light reading about the history of slavery in the real world.
Because there are bad people?
I thought Imperial slaves were not chattels, but rather a form of indentured servant. I suppose you have a point. Being a citizen probably makes living as the lowest level of corporate wage slave for your entire life a paradise compared to being an Imperial Slave for a term of years.
Point me to official lore that states this is the case.