Supercruising to another star system reveals design flaws
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It was with this in mind when I attempted a supercruise to Polaris, a closed system. Realized it was futile. As a new player I wasn't in the know if it was possible. It should be.
What's funny is some people are actually offended by your experiment, wth.
Don't remember saying it's a problem but there are other trades where you don't have to be in supercruise for so long... At any rate, my comment wasn't about rares so why am I trying to rationalize my sarcasm with you again?
It would be awesome if that were possible but it isn't. We're "offended" because he's attacking the developers competence when he says it's a design flaw. That's super unfair but I actually think it's cool there are people out there testing the limits.
Well said. This not a discussion of what is possible, but what is a profitable use of time.
However, there is one thing I would change to be more consistent regarding how hyperspace jumps are calculated. This happened to me in the first two days I played the game and led to me clearing save and starting over. As you know, hyperspace jump distance is affected by the mass of your ship, and fuel is part of that mass. I tried to go somewhere that was just outside my max jump range fully loaded by SCing there to "close the distance." During the 1/2 hour flight the destination got .1 LY closer and I burned enough fuel so that my max jump range was now greater than the now lower distance to the star. But it still would not allow a jump. It always based its go/no-go decision on the original distance. Realistically, I realize this was a rookie mistake and a fringe instance not worthy of developer time, but it certainly was discouraging those first few days.
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I had in mind something akin to what you described when I decided to go ahead with my journey. I hope it's not too late to actually implement it because it'd certainly appease experimental folks like us a lot more.
The star on the radar is Ceramix, i.e. the main star within the star system that I started from. Unfortunately, the current design makes it so that you basically cannot leave a star system unless you jump manually.
I am glad there are people around that understand exactly where I am coming from. It's not a big deal that I cannot supercruise to another system. It's just that it'd be so much more immersive if I could. And having read some of the suggestions within this thread, I'd say it really shouldn't be that hard to implement.
They cared enough to accurately model an entire galaxy with 400 billion stars.. so why not?
Again... they deemed it worth the effort to create sophisticated procedural algorithms to model our galaxy of 400 billion stars so.. yes it is worth the effort!
All seems a bit pointless if they can't make that extra effort to create seamless travel. Minecraft can create an near infinite world without a loading screen and so can Space Engine! so I'm sure Frontier can find a away to go back and fix this.
I am pretty sure their only headache (and the reason they haven't yet addressed it) is because they need to render the skybox of stars before you enter each system. I feel confident they will go back and address this and at this moment it simply isn't a high priority on their wishlist. But I would love Michael Brooks or another dev to chime in and give us their views.
And yes.. I believe it is worth it because some stars are only hours away from each other in SC. The whole idea of never getting anywhere in SC is massively immersion breaking.
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It's disappointing, certainly. The instancing, static sky box, and rooms in space feel of it all really detracts from the game. Would have liked to have seen seamless travel, like space engine.
I think it has to do with Multiplayer, a seamless, dynamic and persistent game is the price we have to pay for it.
i think one problem is the dynamic skybox. it's probably a pretty hefty calculation with all the stars of the milky way in the background.
this would have to be done on the fly. maybe not so easy. also instancing is easier to make this way and closed systems too.
it's a bit sad, yes. but i guess it's about how to use limited dev-resources.
also i wouldn't be surprised if planets will be another instance.
this would have to be done on the fly. maybe not so easy. also instancing is easier to make this way and closed systems too.
it's a bit sad, yes. but i guess it's about how to use limited dev-resources.
also i wouldn't be surprised if planets will be another instance.
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And how does this so-called "design flaw" negatively impact your gameplay?
It's a shame. Why can't the skybox update, a few times per minute would be enough and wouldn't put any strain on the render engine. The Butterfly nebula looks cool in the map, yet it's tiny seen from the closest star, and from the system it's in you see the same inside view no matter how far you go.
It would be far nicer if you could jump to any star. Some stars in multi star systems are further apart than certain separate star systems. Maybe it's a limitation of the galaxy server making up new systems as you jump into unexplored territory?
It would be far nicer if you could jump to any star. Some stars in multi star systems are further apart than certain separate star systems. Maybe it's a limitation of the galaxy server making up new systems as you jump into unexplored territory?
Perhaps there's an issue with how the constellations would need to change as you proceed from point A to point B? So my understanding is every time we hyperspace to another system, the constellations change with respect to our location in the galaxy. But what would it take to animate the relative positions of thousands of stars changing on the journey from point A to point B, depending on the course that was taken?
I don't know. Maybe it's a constraint? Just guessing.
I don't know. Maybe it's a constraint? Just guessing.
Kind of baffled and don't even know how to respond to this as it almost seems trolling... no computer (today) could actually generate the entire galaxy without some sort of instancing the vast distances of empty space, period. You certainly couldn't have a full game on top of it. Not sure what people really expect here.
To those lambasting the OP for trying it out for himself rather than searching for an answer: you don't know what real exploration is. It's not about who has the best googling skills, but about the wonder of discovery, and doing the dirty work yourself.
I've thought of this, but I figured it can't be done due to reasons put forth in this thread. I wish it was possible, but I'm not really too bummed about it as I can't see it being very useful or interesting to do.
I've thought of this, but I figured it can't be done due to reasons put forth in this thread. I wish it was possible, but I'm not really too bummed about it as I can't see it being very useful or interesting to do.