Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread [See new thread]

[Jockey79]

Some people seem to think that Switching between Open and Solo is always about choice or PvP. It is not. Sometimes it is necessary simply to be able to play because of internet connectivity (I go to a hotel sometimes, or abroad where they have only satellite internet. I'm sure other people do too.)

The suggestion that it is just for 'cheating' as you call it is not even half the story. May I even be cheeky and say it is narrow-minded to treat the whole Solo/Open/groups thing simply on that basis?

I use solo when my children are using Netflix - 2 films streaming plus my game and my wife on her PC gives my little Sky box a headache.
Then when my friends are online later on at night, I go back in to our private group we made before release (all Beta backers).

But some in this thread don't care about that - they just want to "interact" with everyone, by force it would seem.

 

[Cmdr Effie Trinket]

See, this is where you let yourself down (as with anyone else trying to push open mode) - All through the entire thread, veiled or clear insults are being thrown about, playing the game as it was intended and designed is not "cheating" and people who do not want to play along side you are not stupid horses - some people bought this as a single player game, so you will never get them in open.

I bought this game to play with my friends, not with random strangers. I have been tempted to go open, but this thread is the very reason I won't try it out properly. Seeing how some of you hate others playing the game for fun (without them) and seeing how people contempt is really coming through with these types of insults, I don't see why I should "enhance" your gaming experience while "reducing" mine.

We get it, some of you don't like other people playing the game how they want and some of you feel cheated by it, but the insults and offensive comments just reinforce peoples resolve to remain in private groups of friends or solo play.

I refuse to be held accountable, if someone chooses to play the victim, chooses to adopt a self-appointed role as spokesman for all society, or insists upon making my comments appear to be self-serving attempts to force unwanted ideas onto them, as if I actually am deluded enough, to think I have that amount of influence.

I say what I say, for the reasons I say it. When you chose to interpret it differently, or to to spin it to support your own agenda, I care not. There is nothing between the lines in my posts, unless you put it there.

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See, this is where you let yourself down (as with anyone else trying to push open mode) - All through the entire thread, veiled or clear insults are being thrown about, playing the game as it was intended and designed is not "cheating" and people who do not want to play along side you are not stupid horses - some people bought this as a single player game, so you will never get them in open.

I bought this game to play with my friends, not with random strangers. I have been tempted to go open, but this thread is the very reason I won't try it out properly. Seeing how some of you hate others playing the game for fun (without them) and seeing how people contempt is really coming through with these types of insults, I don't see why I should "enhance" your gaming experience while "reducing" mine.

We get it, some of you don't like other people playing the game how they want and some of you feel cheated by it, but the insults and offensive comments just reinforce peoples resolve to remain in private groups of friends or solo play.

I refuse to be held accountable, if someone chooses to play the victim, chooses to adopt a self-appointed role as spokesman for all society, or insists upon making my comments appear to be self-serving attempts to force unwanted ideas onto them, as if I actually am deluded enough, to think I have that amount of influence.

I say what I say, for the reasons I say it. When you chose to interpret it differently, or to to spin it to support your own agenda, I care not. There is nothing between the lines in my posts, unless you put it there.

 

[Joe Spivey]

I use solo when my children are using Netflix - 2 films streaming plus my game and my wife on her PC gives my little Sky box a headache.
Then when my friends are online later on at night, I go back in to our private group we made before release (all Beta backers).

But some in this thread don't care about that - they just want to "interact" with everyone, by force it would seem.

Some players just cannot get their head around the concept that ED is not in the same mould as the other games they have played. The idea that players can actually decide to avoid their unwanted attentions just does not compute. It is against the laws of the gaming world they have come to know. Those who can adapt will do so, those who cannot...

 

[Darian]

Some players just cannot get their head around the concept that ED is not in the same mould as the other games they have played. The idea that players can actually decide to avoid their unwanted attentions just does not compute. It is against the laws of the gaming world they have come to know. Those who can adapt will do so, those who cannot...

In my book it is the fear that there are not enough soft targets to have.
That feeling of power after blowing up an ship with two salvos.....
Ruling the game world with an IRON FIST! MUHAHAHAHAHHAAA!

 

[CMDR Reza Malin]

Oh, so now the people defending mode switching and the 3 mode design need to stop "labelling" those who want it nerfed / limited / removed / locked etc...

Didn't see that coming up when accusations of those who use the game as it is designed (3 modes and switching each session) were labelled as "cheaters" and "exploiters" all within the first 20 pages of this thread and you wonder why the same people became aggressive in defence of the game?

The whole idea of being able to control who you see and interact with in an MMO is a new concept and it was bound to cause friction, some people have misunderstood what an MMO is and cannot grasp why this game is one - others just don't like change to the way things are done. I think these are the bigger parts of those wanting the game changed to the "normal" MMO style - the "griefer" type of course do exist and don't like how they have been emasculated by this game design and have decided to hide amongst those with genuine concerns or those who fear the idea this can become the "norm" for MMO gaming.

As for any group being the loudest, what group keep making these threads on this topic?... oh, right, not the solo or group people

Love how you just cut the most relevant points from his post out though, totally sums up the first line of what he did say.

Jockey did you get banned or something? You were trolling everywhere at one point and haven't seen you for a while, until now.

EDIT: Wait are you and Joe friends in real life? You always seem to follow each other!

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

They also seem to think that Open = PvP = I have to be kitted for combat all the time because every moment there will be 1000s of CoD 10 yr olds focused on me who play ED just to blow up other players and ruin their fun. The FUD around here sometimes is epic. I'm willing to bet that the silent majority is like my friend and I, who play hours every day and between the two of us we've had one encounter. And it was a legit pirate and because I'm not awful at managing my game, it barely set me back when I was demolished.

And if you had read any of my postings you would know that this is not what I have said and is not the argument made by those who support the Game as it stands.

I have said that there are examples where bad PvP has chased people in to Solo. I don't care to quote it again. That is not the same as saying Open = PvP. So what FUD are you talking about?

I agree with you that the majority of Open players are like you. Well done. Congratulations. I wish I could join you but my hardware says no. Removing the options we have for Open/Solo/Groups cuts people out of the game no matter how you look at it. That's got nothing to do with PvP. Yes, I and others have generalised that the reason some people argue for a change to the current system is because of PvP.

In fact I go so far as to say the only reason people tend to have a problem with the modes/switching is because they perceive that PvP makes Open much more 'Dangerous.' Other arguments about influence in one mode or another all boil down to "Well I can't fight them." So in the end, unless someone else can tell me different, I have this generalised view forming about 'people who argue for the Open/Solo/Groups dynamic to be changed.' This is not the same as generalizing about all players who prefer to play in Open.

There's a difference.

I am willing to be persuaded. Proceed...

 

[Jockey79]

I refuse to be held accountable,

That bit, right there.

That I think is the very reason this thread exists.

Some people bought this game either;

(a) without doing any research about the game
(b) made assumptions to what the game is
(c) made assumptions what an MMO is

or

(d) all of the above

And now, instead of admitting it - they come here to "suggest" it be changed to what they thought it was instead of accepting it for what it is and what it might be.
No one wants to accept responsibility any more for what they do, what they say (or type) or for making assumptions and getting it wrong.

I've bought stuff in the past and it was wrong, you know who I blamed - myself, for buying the wrong thing.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

I've bought stuff in the past and it was wrong, you know who I blamed - myself, for buying the wrong thing.

Ugh... That bit there. And then you have that indecisive moment when you think... you know what, we could do with a fondue set when the Jones come round once a year... It's an investment... Then you think of the missus face as you try to explain it to her and it all melts away. You just have to admit that you've been a plonker.

And then there's that massive moment of freedom when she looks admiringly into your eyes after you come clean. You're a real man... (I'd better not go on...)

 

[OldSalt]

I don't think that there there can be much in the way of quoting out of context in this, Michael Brookes taking to PC Gamer about the 1.1 update says-

'Players can contribute towards the goal whatever mode they're playing. While Open Play will see greater numbers of players diverge on the targeted system, Solo Mode and Private Group players will still be able to contribute to the overall total.'

I would say that this validates the Developers confidence in the current game mechanics ?

 

[Phelioz]

I think solo and private group should work togheter but open should be a seperate thing. So solo player still can play with there friend. So you get no switching in open mode.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

I think solo and private group should work togheter but open should be a seperate thing. So solo player still can play with there friend. So you get no switching in open mode.

So, Pheloiz, what happens to the Open player who finds himself in a bind for 6 weeks cause a gas man put his shovel through the fibre and he only has a tether to play on?

 

[Jockey79]

Love how you just cut the most relevant points from his post out though, totally sums up the first line of what he did say.

Jockey did you get banned or something? You were trolling everywhere at one point and haven't seen you for a while, until now.

EDIT: Wait are you and Joe friends in real life? You always seem to follow each other!

Hello Reza, love how you call me a "troll" AFTER you've said in one of your posts you are not even here to discuss the topic at hand you just want to point out people who are "scared" of open play.
No, Joe and I don't know each other in real life but the constant thread mergers seems to drop us in together back here again. Plus the most active people end up seeing each other a lot - I've seen you posting quite a lot, I don't know you either.

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So, as you made it clear you don't care about the modes, why are you here exactly?

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

Hey.. not fair. No one asked if I had any friends and I post in here just as often as Joe and Jockey.

 

[Zenicetus]

I don't think that there there can be much in the way of quoting out of context in this, Michael Brookes taking to PC Gamer about the 1.1 update says-

'Players can contribute towards the goal whatever mode they're playing. While Open Play will see greater numbers of players diverge on the targeted system, Solo Mode and Private Group players will still be able to contribute to the overall total.'

I would say that this validates the Developers confidence on the current game mechanics ?

It sure doesn't sound like they're planning on changing things any time soon (and I think he meant "converge" instead of diverge there). It's a single Galaxy, with events that everyone can participate in, no matter what mode they're in.

In a rational user base, that would put an end to complaints and speculation on this topic. Of course I'm not expecting that here. Let the forum metagames continue...

 

[Darian]

I think solo and private group should work togheter but open should be a seperate thing. So solo player still can play with there friend. So you get no switching in open mode.

Then we have to rename it into

Solo
Group
empty

 

[Cmdr Effie Trinket]

That bit, right there.

That I think is the very reason this thread exists.

Some people bought this game either;

(a) without doing any research about the game
(b) made assumptions to what the game is
(c) made assumptions what an MMO is

or

(d) all of the above

And now, instead of admitting it - they come here to "suggest" it be changed to what they thought it was instead of accepting it for what it is and what it might be.
No one wants to accept responsibility any more for what they do, what they say (or type) or for making assumptions and getting it wrong.

I've bought stuff in the past and it was wrong, you know who I blamed - myself, for buying the wrong thing.

I'll do you the courtesy of leaving your post quoted in its entirety. Unlike you, who seem to think it's very clever, to strip out just a few words from the posts you quote, in a very obvious and unimaginative attempt to spin things to suit you. You must be proud to be so clever. I will leave you to carry on congratulating yourself.

As for bolded part I quote, how should anyone be held accountable for being deliberately misquoted? I stand by what I said, not what you changed it to.

You Sir, are no longer worthy of any further response from me and may congratulate yourself on being the first person here to be placed on my ignore list. Well done.

 

[Uueerdo]

From some of the earlier updates in Gamma I think we can assume that the Stellar Forge is only initiated once a pilot jumps to a system (There was a bug that caused a player's session to crash when the Stellar Forge queue was full or a server was not available) and therefore the system only exists in the most basic of senses in the DB once it has been visited and scanned. You probably don't even have any data on asteroid/planetary rings until they are properly scanned for the first time. The rest of the galaxy simply exists as a point of reference that you can jump to.

And it all depends if there is an element of randomness added to the PG to ensure variety. If so, you would have to store that data or the next pilot would find different orbits, objects, etc. Plus, once you scan and start to mine, for example, that has to become persistent data.

It is pretty much guaranteed they must store the exploration data, since from my understanding we are purchasing the scan data created by other players. That could also be how they preserve any rng that may be happening; but while I am definitely no expert on PG, it is my understanding that rng is usually avoided so results are more consistent and don't have to be preserved. Given the scope of the PG used as the game grows, I don't see any reason not to use preserved-rng for more cosmetic things like aurora borealis effects and such. However, I believe I read current PG is supposedly taking into account distance from star and such things to determine if a planet could have water. So I would imagine the presence of an aurora would be dependent on the planet's distance and magnetic field.

 

[Darian]

one data set for an solar systhem fits into one string variable if done smart, so the whole dataset for the whole galaxy could be smaller than an average windows OS install...
like <sun1><sun2>usw.. set in first zell type, second size. <planet1><planet2> <asteroidbelt1> usw where type and distance and center of eclipse is stored.

If one wants to be really smart about it the systhem is generated each time someone visits using physical law (determining distance to one or if binary two suns orbiting and center of gravity usw.

this way yu can pack a whole systhem into a very short line of code that is " unpacked" and the systhem build for the visitng ship

 

[Jockey79]

I'll do you the courtesy of leaving your post quoted in its entirety. Unlike you, who seem to think it's very clever, to strip out just a few words from the posts you quote, in a very obvious and unimaginative attempt to spin things to suit you. You must be proud to be so clever. I will leave you to carry on congratulating yourself.

As for bolded part I quote, how should anyone be held accountable for being deliberately misquoted? I stand by what I said, not what you changed it to.

You Sir, are no longer worthy of any further response from me and may congratulate yourself on being the first person here to be placed on my ignore list. Well done.

As people can click the quotes they can see I quoted the full sentence where you said people are cheating - the rest of the post doesn't change that one line.
As for your "stupid horse" to water comment (which again, anyone can click my quote to go to your post and read the rest of it) - if that was not aimed at those who refuse to play open, then who was it aimed at? who are you calling a "stupid horse"?

And as you've decided to ignore the point being made, I'll put it again - accusations and insults will not encourage people in to open.

 

[ChrisUK27]

He doesn't but the absolute fact of the matter is this game has a single implementation. We're all in one galaxy and it will be influenced by players in all modes, even if you prevented players from switching modes (which also isn't going to happen). Are Frontier going to double, triple, quadruple their hardware and support costs the satisfy a minority who apparently didn't inquire into the nature of the game they were buying?

The answer is of course - NO.

The answer is of course - YOU* have NO idea what they will do.

*and us