I just got murdered
- Thread starter Robzilla
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At least they are making changes soon. So bounties persist beyond death.
If you don't really want to deal with PvP at all the best place is the Mobius PvE group. I like it better than solo because occasionally you will see other commanders. Not as often as open since there are only about 3100 members.
If you don't really want to deal with PvP at all the best place is the Mobius PvE group. I like it better than solo because occasionally you will see other commanders. Not as often as open since there are only about 3100 members.
This thread has some great ideas and on the whole I support the idea of player set bounty amounts.
I would only point out that the condition of kills on clean CMDR's only being awarded the chance at 're spawning may present a new issue.
How would you deal with the following scenario?
A player who is clean clips a authority vessel during combat and picks up a fine and wanted status. Next a near by CMDR takes this opportunity to engage in PvP with only a 200 credit bounty as excuse. Now if the fight does not go his way and the pilot with a small fine turns the fight and defeats the opportunist it creates an issue. The player with a small fine from an accident could be the victim of the player who started the PvP encounter (who was clean), and lost, and now has a ridiculous bounty on their head.
I wonder if the coding 'logic' of what is fair or reasonable is in fact very hard to achive as it is based to a degree on how these situations make CMDR's feel.
I would only point out that the condition of kills on clean CMDR's only being awarded the chance at 're spawning may present a new issue.
How would you deal with the following scenario?
A player who is clean clips a authority vessel during combat and picks up a fine and wanted status. Next a near by CMDR takes this opportunity to engage in PvP with only a 200 credit bounty as excuse. Now if the fight does not go his way and the pilot with a small fine turns the fight and defeats the opportunist it creates an issue. The player with a small fine from an accident could be the victim of the player who started the PvP encounter (who was clean), and lost, and now has a ridiculous bounty on their head.
I wonder if the coding 'logic' of what is fair or reasonable is in fact very hard to achive as it is based to a degree on how these situations make CMDR's feel.
If you really want to spend the cash on a second acct. sure, why not?
Some waste of human life killed me at a nav point in a python earlier. I was not wanted, nor was he. I started to chase down a wanted NPC and suddenly my shields were gone. Also the overpowered Python was just as fast as my asp and kept me mass locked until he destroyed me. I didn't even have cargo. There should really be harsher fines for needlessly murdering someone. Killing a person with an empty cargo hold should net a several million credit bounty. That would put a stop to it. Other games ban people for unsporting behavior. Next time I'll just alt+f4 the game...
the real problem is that some players kill other players for no good reason at all. They are not even looking for a fight only for a victim. There is a whole psychological discussion to be held here, but thats a different topic.
If this happens once, maybe twice, then it should be ok (poor sod, who is the victim).
but people should be prevented from doing this over and over again. and that could potentially be figured out automatically in-game.
e.g. three clean-CMDR kills in 24 hours results in a game-ban for 24 hours ... or something similar. or it could be staggered as well.
This would still enable bounty hunters to do their job without penalty.
Also bounty's for clean-CMDR kills should not be easily being paid off. There needs to be another level of punishment for this. e.g. the bounty for clean-CMDR kills (over a limit) need to be paid off with ship insurance. Also penalty a killer get should be increased with amount of CMDR kills.
And that all could be ignored in combat zones or when 'report crimes against me' is turned off.
btw. 'report against crimes against me' could also be visible in the basic scan, thus signalling willingness for PVP -> thus none of the above rules apply.
just some ideas.
If this happens once, maybe twice, then it should be ok (poor sod, who is the victim).
but people should be prevented from doing this over and over again. and that could potentially be figured out automatically in-game.
e.g. three clean-CMDR kills in 24 hours results in a game-ban for 24 hours ... or something similar. or it could be staggered as well.
This would still enable bounty hunters to do their job without penalty.
Also bounty's for clean-CMDR kills should not be easily being paid off. There needs to be another level of punishment for this. e.g. the bounty for clean-CMDR kills (over a limit) need to be paid off with ship insurance. Also penalty a killer get should be increased with amount of CMDR kills.
And that all could be ignored in combat zones or when 'report crimes against me' is turned off.
btw. 'report against crimes against me' could also be visible in the basic scan, thus signalling willingness for PVP -> thus none of the above rules apply.
just some ideas.
I must admit im having a bit of a problem with human pirates too. A few commanders have interdicted over and over, and barely escaped (there is no cool-down). The only way ive been able to stop them is to quit game - which very annoying (but stops them altogether). I have lost 350k+ to them in hull damage.
I agree there needs to be a stronger penalty for player kills... and an interdiction cool-down. I personally hate PvP games and like PvE, but elite is quickly turning into a PvP game (with human pirates attacking me around Lave, Sol, and/or Altair). So the longer im playing, the less I want too. Its not like there is any counter to them - I am not willing to lose 1million credits (rebuy) to some idiot human pirate (who brought my shields down quick, with some spam weapons).
I guess I could fly off to some random unknown systems, but surely that defeats the whole point of being online - to get away from everyone else. Making me felt that I should of made it an closed game, rather than open.
I feel its been designed to encourage us to avoid other players (because they steal kills, pirate other players and generally cost you money). This game needs some serious coop play, rather this anti-social design (human pirate should get hammered). What happens when the human pirates start using Anaconda's etc.? It will spoil the game for so many others. If not already.
I agree there needs to be a stronger penalty for player kills... and an interdiction cool-down. I personally hate PvP games and like PvE, but elite is quickly turning into a PvP game (with human pirates attacking me around Lave, Sol, and/or Altair). So the longer im playing, the less I want too. Its not like there is any counter to them - I am not willing to lose 1million credits (rebuy) to some idiot human pirate (who brought my shields down quick, with some spam weapons).
I guess I could fly off to some random unknown systems, but surely that defeats the whole point of being online - to get away from everyone else. Making me felt that I should of made it an closed game, rather than open.
I feel its been designed to encourage us to avoid other players (because they steal kills, pirate other players and generally cost you money). This game needs some serious coop play, rather this anti-social design (human pirate should get hammered). What happens when the human pirates start using Anaconda's etc.? It will spoil the game for so many others. If not already.
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Whilst I have some reservations about the specific mechanics involved in a player set bounty system, I'm also very excited.
It feels like a great way to both bring consequence to behaviour and reward for bounty hunting.
This I think could help bring the cash benefits that career choices other than trader deserve.
It feels like a great way to both bring consequence to behaviour and reward for bounty hunting.
This I think could help bring the cash benefits that career choices other than trader deserve.
SpiralRazor
Banned
It works perfectly fine in EVE...but whats the use? If they dont want to be engaged they will pull the plug and discon.
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They will never use Anacondas for that, just like no one in EVE uses Titans for it....a Viper is more then enough to cause mass griefing and is almost free to replace.
I'd like to hear the developers weigh in on this. I am curious how they feel about players grouping together and extorting other players.
Here's a thought.
What if I'm part of a pirate outfit, and in the course of my daily activities I kill a very rich trader and afterwards he puts a big bounty on my head. Wouldn't I just want to go hop in a sidewinder immediately and let one of my friends kill me? This way my friend would get the bounty, I would lose nothing AND have my bounty wiped. It would just be my victim transferring credits to me and my friends. Surely this would not be what he (my victim) was intending.
I do think a player should be able to put a bounty on someones head after they are killed, however there seems to be all kinds of ways to abuse it.
What if I'm part of a pirate outfit, and in the course of my daily activities I kill a very rich trader and afterwards he puts a big bounty on my head. Wouldn't I just want to go hop in a sidewinder immediately and let one of my friends kill me? This way my friend would get the bounty, I would lose nothing AND have my bounty wiped. It would just be my victim transferring credits to me and my friends. Surely this would not be what he (my victim) was intending.
I do think a player should be able to put a bounty on someones head after they are killed, however there seems to be all kinds of ways to abuse it.
HAHAHAHAH awesome post that was funny! You didn't even cry or moan about the insurance and lost ship etc. See, THAT is a real player right there.
SpiralRazor
Banned
On the insurance screen, the Insurance Company should post a bounty on you, and you should have an option to add to the bounty. I like the idea of not being able to pay off the bounty as the murderer. But what if they wander into a secure station in a low cost ship, such as a throw away Sidewinder, and allow themselves to get killed in the sidewinder to clear the bounty? No, I think you should also lose the ability to have insurance on the class of ship you committed the murder in. You kill a CMDR in a Cobra Mk III, OK you're going to ride around with a bounty on you in all "federation" <or whatever faction you were 'sploring in at the time> areas as well as all areas friendly to the dead player; AND you aren't going to have insurance on that Cobra either. That's how an insurance company would stick it to you. Some clause about "while undertaking activities considered illegal ..."