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None is better per se, they both have pros and cons so pick wichever suits you at the time.

I personally enjoy playing in OP most of the time. The player interaction sure makes the game richer and even a hostile encounter can be a pleasant experience, provided the other player is not an a..hole. Wich, by the way, is way more rare than a lot of Open-haters would have you believe. I encountered one in something like more than 50h of play. Then I must admit that I try my best not to attract problems at all times : I do not trade without shields, I do not go in a well known pirate hunting-ground with a cargo bay full of rares and a ship which cannot defend itself, I always greet "suspect" radar contacts in a friendly manner to humanize the encounter, etc.

Then there is solo. Which is a lot more dull, because of the lack of human interaction, because NPCs are always the same, because there is no incentive not to take risks since it is always so easy once you've had your hand on the game for the first 2 or 3 hours. The duller thing about it is that since all the instances you pop in are freshly generated, the world trully doesn't feel alive. When you arrive at a RES, it is first empty and populates before your very eyes. When you arrive at a station, there is never traffic iside and around it at first (except fo the security vessels). All the NPCs spawn at the same time as you outside of the station, they are only a few and will never have a bounty or illegal cargo, they will never dock/undock in a hurry and buzz past you at 300+ m/s inside the letterbox, a remote station can have just as much traffic as one in a starter system, etc.

But it also has advantages : if you just want to grind money by trading, you will do it faster and more easily here, and you can take "risks" and strip your ship from its shield generator and put an extra cargo rack without any fear of things going bad. You can also have all the wanted ships for yourself and have no fear of your prey being killed by a careless / kill-stealer player. You can test unusual / experimental loadouts without fear of being at a disavantage or interrupted. And last but not least, if your internet connection goes slow / unstable the other ships won't start rubber-banding all over the place, your hits / kills won't randomly not register, you won't get a bounty if you attack a wanted NPC less than 10 sec after your scan told you it was complete and your SC transistions / Hyperspace travels won't take 10 times as long as usual which is really nice when you don't have a lot of time to put in a game session.

TL : DR - I'd recommend you to play in OP when you can to get the full ED experience and go in solo only when you want to optimize grinding, test things, your internet connection goes bad or you don't have a lot of time for your session.
And there you have it, my (very generic and conventional) view on OP vs Solo.
 
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So what do the Solo only players think about the latest newsletter:

This week we’re talking about teamwork on a massive scale in Elite: Dangerous’ February 1.1 update.

Much in 1.1 for you guys?

"The 1.1 update will increase the maximum distance for the route planner by ten times – up to 1,000 light years – and you might just see our new look gas giants along the way..."

Yip sounds great

Looks like the collaboration thing will work really good (probably the best place to play) for guys in Group PVE

Nice to see that Erimus's journey into the unknown has been given a mention in the newsletter.
 
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They are wrong on this, yes. Should everyone quit because they don't like certain parts of the game or see areas of improvement?

Less white knighting, more application of thought please. :)

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It's not a single pilot. It's the go to way to influence a system so that's what people do.

Ever go to areas during "events" (lugh, sorbargo etc)? I went to them all and saw systems being influenced and it was still a lonely place. People do what works and this is currently how it's done.



The problem with this is they undermined their own major mechanics. I don't know if it was lack of experience or they really place fear of player behavior over their own universe and immersion, but yeah. They screwed their own system over.

Why did they even bother with a persistent world? They could have saved a lot of money and they actively discourage the reasons open worlds exist. They fragmented their players as much as humanly possible. Game has an identity crisis and it's all due to fear of their players. It's so strange lol.

At the very least, they really need to change the game title and trailer. Highly misleading.


You say the Devs are wrong on how they made the game??
WOW. Just, WOW.

As for events, there are more threads on people having fun in "busy" systems (or being killed in "busy" systems), so I propose your problem with seeing other players is your networking set up. Try the tech section for help resolving why you're not seeing others, or the video in my wall of info links - where DB states a certain type of player will be moved away from the rest.

A lot of "the problems" you keep on about, do seem to be limited to you and not the rest of us.
 
Ha ha ha, this is priceless. Super troll, accusing people of trolling. Genius. Keep trying kiddo.


EDIT: There is no forced pvp. Only pvp that comes about from people using moronic and obvious trade routes and locations. The fact that you are trying so hard to sterotype, shows you may have first hand experience of this. If you get forced into pvp in this game, it just means you can't manage a simple task of finding a safe trade route in a galaxy of billions of systems. Quite an achievment! If the cap fits wear it i say.

If you think that I'm trolling, feel free to report me.
 
So what do the Solo only players think about the latest newsletter:

This week we’re talking about teamwork on a massive scale in Elite: Dangerous’ February 1.1 update.

Much in 1.1 for you guys?

Well, let me see...

Newsletter 59 said:
But let’s put that in context, because with 400 billion star systems to explore the community have charted just 0.00015 percent of our galaxy. Let’s put it another way: if everyone keeps going at the current rate, it will take 150,895 years to map the entire Milky Way.


Yup, I'm happy with how the game is going. More than enough to keep me busy for my measly 90 years (give or take) on this earth... I'm 35 now (only 55 years of Elite left in me !!!
:eek: ) , so I have lots to do before I kick the bucket.
 
I'm hoping for the Wings update to rather improve gameplay in Open play. Instead of us trying to find each other in SC, we can just stay in a group.
 
They are wrong on this, yes. Should everyone quit because they don't like certain parts of the game or see areas of improvement?

Less white knighting, more application of thought please. :)

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It's not a single pilot. It's the go to way to influence a system so that's what people do.

Ever go to areas during "events" (lugh, sorbargo etc)? I went to them all and saw systems being influenced and it was still a lonely place. People do what works and this is currently how it's done.



The problem with this is they undermined their own major mechanics. I don't know if it was lack of experience or they really place fear of player behavior over their own universe and immersion, but yeah. They screwed their own system over.

Why did they even bother with a persistent world? They could have saved a lot of money and they actively discourage the reasons open worlds exist. They fragmented their players as much as humanly possible. Game has an identity crisis and it's all due to fear of their players. It's so strange lol.

At the very least, they really need to change the game title and trailer. Highly misleading.

The thing is you have no way of telling why you don't see people at "events" they might be in another instance due to matchmaking - they might have been there before you or get there just after you. They might be in the station, you have absolutely no way of knowing. ​you say that they must be doing it in solo but you have no evidence.

You sound like the people that get criticised for saying there is griefing everywhere when they don't actually have any evidence other than an attack on them.
 
I love how AFTER saying you do not care about the modes, you keep dropping in to make accusations and "stir the pot" (so to speak).
I mean, not everyone can sit there and talk about army life (cuz, you know - we've all played Call of Duty like you have) and describe people as cowards like you have countless times in this thread. I especially love how you can tell someone how it is a simple task to find a safe trade route while wanting removal of solo and group play (the best place to find those safe routes).

Oh and you never answered me... you made it quite clear, you don't care about the game modes (for which this is the thread to talk about them) - so, as this thread is for something you do not care about - why are you here again?

I don't usually make it any priority anymore to answer you Jockey, because you come across as a class A troll and have proven it many times. Not only that, you are very often woefuly inaccurate in your interpretation of other people's posts. You also seem to take everything as a personal affront, like we aren't actually talking about a video game. I personally suspect you just came back from a ban anyway.

This last post is another prime example. I haven't once mentioned anyone's personal life, even when someone else has alluded to my own. Maybe you need to have a quick reality check about where we are here and what the subject matter is. You talk about having kids and such, yet you now start trying to get personal? How old are you? Say what you want about my background. I have proved myself to better people than some random odd person who get over excited on a video game forum.

Anyway, the reason i am on this thread is because guess what? Anyone can be on this thread, and doesn't need a reason. Are you a moderator? No, then you have no real requirement to comment on the why, instead why not actually answer some of the comments made by other forum posters rather than doing some odd switch about why i am here? I find it slightly strange. You say i don't care about the game modes, which is a clear misunderstanding on your part, which seems to happen consistently on your end. Yet fear not i shall correct you. I don't care about removing any of the game modes, thats far more accurate. I never said i don't care about the different game modes. I clearly prefer open mode, in which i am a trader by the way.

Guess what? Made 20 million, never been interdicted! I know, its madness! Who would have though anyone could weave their way through the myriad of bloodthirsty pirates, snuffing other CMDR's out like cheap candles!

I actually take an interest in this thread because you, and a few other people like you, seem to completely overreact and completely misinterpret anyone's post that is opposing your own, due to what i can only assume is a huge insecurity issue with something. Actually, going so far as to cut only certain portions of people's quotes among other things, to try and tailor them to convey a message completely out of context. Are you paying for forum page space? No? Ok, so why not just quote what people say in its entirety? Lol. I imagine you feel you are playing some kind of superiority mind game or something, and fancy yourself, rather inaccurately, as a bit of a wordsmith. I have had several good natured and meaningful discussions with people here, people that actually make concessions, like i will, when viewing the other side's standpoint. I don't seem to butt heads with everyone, or in fact anyone, like i have done with you, i wonder why that is? Needless to say, none of these others have yet to mention personal lives, nor do they take being insulted to the such personal levels that you seem to.

The general consensus from people in the same 'camp' as me, seems to be that people are hiding in solo mode for no apparent reason. Its just a statement, made by people who have no solid statistics, so not sure why it bothers you so much. We use probability for this assumption because so many people talk about the illuminati 'PVP' crowd, like its out of control and there is some huge conspiracy to get more traders into open to 'prey' on. as far as i can see, most pro open mode players simply want people to play in open when there is no reason not to unless you are too lazy to go 50ly from sol to trade. As far as i can see, the only conspiracy is from the traders who can't understand the concept of basic risk, purporting that there is a problem with pvp in open and that it warrants other traders avoiding this mode to make up for their own trading shortcomings.

It seems some people have only a limited capacity for trading, that can only make use of obvious rare routes, core systems, or 3rd party tools (that pirates can use as well as traders, funny that!). In my opinion, these people categorise exactly the kind of people that would be the actual targets of pirates were this galaxy playing out in real life. Lol. So i guess player driven content is working as expected. Its trader natural selection! Trading without being at risk in open mode is so easy in this game, if people are getting pirated i can't begin to imagine how unless they simply have no risk analysis capability whatsoever. I honestly think they just expect to be able to fly around completely unmolested and are simply having a tantrum that they can't. They then use this insecurity to over justify why solo is so amazing, when i feel the truth is its just more amazing for them to not feel victimized. In which case, open is the perfect place for these people where interacting with others is not their strong suit, so they don't feel intimidated by other players, and any perceived threat that may or may not be there.

My favourite is when the solo players tell everyone about how "nothing will ever change". ha, i bet the same people used to say that about offline mode! Lol.

Bottom line - In my view, safe trading is so easy if you actually have some perception of risk. The problem with open and 'pvp' lies with people who feel disgruntled that they have to actually put any effort in to do this. In which case, stay in solo with the AI that offer zero challenge at the moment. The forums will become a quieter place, because all the good traders that appreciate risk, can keep trading in open, in silence. Like i suspect they do right now. The ones that don't appreciate viable risks can feel safe in solo, and tell everyone about the Event Horizon movie-like incidents happening to innocent traders everywhere!
 
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Solo vs Open - what's the deal there, why so much flaming? Solo vs Open - what's the deal there, why

I am a solo player. Feel cheated a bit ED decided not to put out a proper single player game - as advertised for two years - but this is almost as good.

And I don't see any Solo player going on forums to flame people for playing Open.

PvP players rage and rage on Soloists for not joining the fun, for escaping to Solo whenever the the things got hot, for ruining the MMO, looking down on Solo players as cowards... Now I can go into explaining how Elite in essence is a solitary experience, Braben stated from the start he would adhere to it's true nature (which he did, and enormous thx for that), and how the Devs are now trying hard to make those two modes of enjoying Elite click - but I wont.

Instead, I'm posting a simple statement:

PvP players, be honest: the only reason you want more players in the Open is you are confident you would kill more.
 
I've never found that much of a difference myself. I started playing in solo because I've always found that the worst part of online games is the other people! (Griefing, being general idiots.)

But then after seeing some forum threads here I started to try open play to see how it was, since I have to be online ahead. And honestly, I don't see the difference. I've rarely ever seen another human player and aside from a few interdictions that I evaded (and could've been from NPCs for all I know), I've had no real interaction at all.

It's a big ol' galaxy!
 
Hey guys just randomly found this video some guy made while playing in open mode!

[video=youtube_share;kFUrIlyLRPI]http://youtu.be/kFUrIlyLRPI?t=9s[/video]
 
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