Our own seed, or one fixed seed? Elite and Procedural Generation.

Obsidian Ant

Obsidian Ant
Quick question.

I know the 'online' version of Elite will be the same for everyone.

My question is in regards to the offline game. Will we be able to use our own seed numbers to generate a galaxy, or do all players get the same fixed seed?
 

Susimetsa

Susimetsa
Same fixed seed by all accounts. It is based on our own galaxy after all, with Sol and other "known" systems written in stone and others generated with the seed.
 

Void Sun

Void Sun
Maxeren said:
If it is multiplayer then you can't go around changing the seed.. simple as that :D
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Granite appeared to be asking strictly about the offline single player mode.

Granite said:
Quick question.

I know the 'online' version of Elite will be the same for everyone.

My question is in regards to the offline game. Will we be able to use our own seed numbers to generate a galaxy, or do all players get the same fixed seed?
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As far as I'm aware the universe is procedurally generated and then an override is applied to enforce real world known and historical Elite systems.

No reason I can see why your own seed couldn't be applied however it would be yours and yours alone. You could not compare it with other single players as in 'wow go to sector x,y,z and look at such and such' unless you shared the seed.

I believe this was mooted very early on but I don't think it will be supported as the game currently appears to be shaping up. More than happy to be corrected by Frontier if I'm wrong though. :D
 

Zak Gordon

Zak Gordon
Michael Brookes said:
The galaxy has the same layout in single player and multiplayer.

Michael
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Which is best for an Elite game imho. It is after all based in our own galaxy. Games like Limit Theory can get away with a random galaxy each time due to the setting, but Elite, The Federation, The Imperials etc. That all happens right here in our own back yard.

Are you using known exo-planets or going the Frontier and FFE route with made up planets for other systems? If the former a site like this is quite handy for keeping updated on new exo-planet discoveries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exoplanets
 

Darren Grey

Darren Grey
Zak Gordon said:
Are you using known exo-planets or going the Frontier and FFE route with made up planets for other systems? If the former a site like this is quite handy for keeping updated on new exo-planet discoveries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exoplanets
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Since these are being discovered at an increasing rate any attempt at planet accuracy would be doomed to failure. Plus many of those planets have significant error bars attached in terms of size, composition and distance from star. It may be easier to stick to the invented route, with some handwavium to say the 21st century science wasn't entirely accurate.
 

Michael Brookes

Game Director
Darren Grey said:
Since these are being discovered at an increasing rate any attempt at planet accuracy would be doomed to failure. Plus many of those planets have significant error bars attached in terms of size, composition and distance from star. It may be easier to stick to the invented route, with some handwavium to say the 21st century science wasn't entirely accurate.
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We've taken a list of the confirmed exoplanets so far and will include them in the overrides.

Michael
 

Belisarius

Belisarius
Michael Brookes said:
We've taken a list of the confirmed exoplanets so far and will include them in the overrides.

Michael
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This definitely sounds great.
Will your override take into account,
that star systems with knowns planets mights have other (smaller planets in them)?

Most of the Exoplanets discovered so far are of Jovian/Super-Jovian size, due to the fact that our instruments just aren´t fine enough to detect smaller planets in said systems.
Therefore these systems might hide a whole range of earth sized planets that we haven´t discovered yet.

So, if the override might still allow the randomized creation of smaller planets in systems where there were already (Super-)Jovian planets discovered, this would be great
 

withnail

withnail
How is the seed for the galaxy determined in the first place?

I guess this is a fairly hefty mathematical question. I would imagine that it is fairly easy to produce a made up galaxy but to replicate the existing one using procedural generation must be a a bit of a task.
 

Michael Brookes

Game Director
Belisarius said:
This definitely sounds great.
Will your override take into account,
that star systems with knowns planets mights have other (smaller planets in them)?

Most of the Exoplanets discovered so far are of Jovian/Super-Jovian size, due to the fact that our instruments just aren´t fine enough to detect smaller planets in said systems.
Therefore these systems might hide a whole range of earth sized planets that we haven´t discovered yet.

So, if the override might still allow the randomized creation of smaller planets in systems where there were already (Super-)Jovian planets discovered, this would be great
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It does we can partially override and fully author entire systems, such as Sol.

Michael
 
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