Y'know, those rules are really more like guidelines.What? What?! You Talking To Me? Rule of Acquisition #78 states: Don't discriminate. The most unlikely species can create the best customers. Also #115: Greed is eternal. And international, btw.While we got your attention and therefore the time opportunity to annoy you, a reminder: 3rd person camera (out of combat, if that's important) sells ship skins. People want to admire their possessions. Hewmons are evolved Hunter-gatherers, and therefore collectors. Rule #222: Knowledge is Latinum. Especially that about your customer. Also you could easily make simple make simple pattern skins like this available for every ship. View attachment 10703 Or, as rule #12 puts it, Anything worth selling is worth selling twice. Or more often. ^.^ I at least would buy that one for more than one ship.
Frontier: Can you please define your understanding of "Limited"
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That would make a nice cow pattern for the type 9. I would totally fly through Lave dumping milk canasters. :3
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Brilliant. I hope this is an acknowledgement of more than just the limited skins issue. And whilst from an internal ops perspective you're not obliged to give details it would be nice to close this thread off with a reply from Frontier that ties up all these lingering questions rather than hope it disappears quietly. Which I doubt given this thread is 2 months old.
Thanks Ed. We know. And I did notice the lack of limited edition on the new cobra skin.
In my personal opinion, the only skin that made sense in a time-limited fashion was the Cobra wireframe skin for the 30 years anniversary. Anything beyond that looked completely arbitrary to me.
- The flags. Maybe you don't want to see lots of ships with country flags painted on the hull and therefore limit their numbers by limiting the time window to buy them - but in that case why introduce them in the first place if you don't like the idea that much?
- Viper Chrome. I mean I got the skin and use it all the time, not because it was time-limited, but because I always like bare metal and chrome. Why was that one time-limited, and why is the gold one not? And is the Cobra Chrome time-limited as well? Let's assume the best case, Viper Gold and Cobra Chrome are there to stay (yay), and probably (hopefully) all other ships get that treatment, too (Where is my Eagle Chrome and Python Chrome? - *insert popular Futurama meme*). Then there will be this weird, illogical hole in the store where eventually, for every ship a chrome paintjob is sold, except for the Viper because... someone some time ago decided it would be a clever idea to make more short term sales happen in favour of reaping the long term benefit.
- Did I miss any other time-limited skins?
My personal wish, and again I speak that not out of selfish desire because I got the Viper Chrome when it was available, is that it returns to the shop, permanently, too, and from now on no more time-limited skins. Simple as that. Time-limited discounts, or free give-aways (like the Cobra pack - that was very very nice) are fine, of course. But removing skins from the online store is basically just a method to create artificial scarcity that is unnecessary from every single angle you look at it, except the one that tries to drive a few more people to buy it because otherwise they fear to regret not having it when it will be too late. Which imho is a shady marketing tactic and does not paint any company doing so in a good light*.
(*It was the main reason I never went back to The Secret World after taking an extended break. Their tactic of constantly removing stuff from the store and putting in new things in order to always keep people on their toes, "buy now or never again", felt very off-putting and like a barrier, a wall on which is written "behold all the things you missed by not being there at the right time".)
Ultimately, I want as large and varied as possible a selection of skins and decals for all ships, and then it should only be a matter of which ones each players likes what they fly with (and whether they want to part with a few bucks for that), not whether they joined the game before some time-limited item was deleted from the store.
Another issue I have with time-limited anything is that it's become the plague in gaming over the course of the recent years. Some games lock parts of their content behind "preorder only" walls. I mean not just the odd exclusive skin (which I'd still prefer were not part of such package), but actual game content to play through. Once upon a time (before I deserted that genre for good) I had a peorder edition of an RTS that came with a preorder exclusive map. Like, try playing that one in multiplayer, facepalm.
These days it has become so bad that for some games you'd have to buy multiple copies from different retailers and online stores because they put different preorder content into packages that are exclusive to each shop. And then the marketing double-speak surrounding such shenanigans sounds like they actually believe they were doing their customers a "service" with these "offers", which I would rather call insults.
Also, for the record, I find artificial scarcity absolutely atrocious from a conceptual standpoint. Like, in the digital world we don't have these problems where there is only so much of all the materials in the ground, real estate on the continents etc. We can conjure up anything we wish to, in any quantity we desire, and we should utilize this power and not cripple it by thinking "well it happens in physical shops with physical items, too". Because there it happens because, well, no one can produce an infinite number of a specific piece of, say, clothing.
I want to close with an opinion I know I am in a tiny minority, but I don't take pleasure from the fact that what I have, you can't have. To the contrary. When I am flying around in my chrome Viper and someone would see me and say "ah man I love this, gotta buy it, too" and I have to tell them it was a time-limited thing, my heart breaks.
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Right on Commander! "Elite 2: Frontier" had external views, and it definately made the long journeys soooooo much more interresting. I have no problem with temporarily disabling External View when another Player goes Hostile to you.
Thanks, it seems pretty clear to me now.
Nothing there states unequivocally that the the skins would never be offered for sale again, at any price.
As far as taking them down goes, I would hope they will continue selling them as long as people are buying them.
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Rep for you sir, pretty much how I feel.
Sell ALL THE THINGS.
My only minor disagreement is that actually the only time that time-limited makes sense is say doing a Black/Orange skin at Halloween or Red/Green at Christmas - they should always be offered every year at the same price, but they don't need to be sold all year round (i.e. seasonal time limited, not limited edition time limited).
The other thing as well is the randomness of it all. Where is the Clipper or Adder pirate faction stuff? My personal preference is that they do one skin and release a version for all ships.
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I am another who felt a little let down when the flags reappeared.
I rushed to buy two on the 14th thinking that was my only opportunity.
Had the advert been a little less misleading I would of waited. Its not a big deal, its not the end Elite for me. What it does mean is I feel a lot less inclined to spend on microtransactions.
I rushed to buy two on the 14th thinking that was my only opportunity.
Had the advert been a little less misleading I would of waited. Its not a big deal, its not the end Elite for me. What it does mean is I feel a lot less inclined to spend on microtransactions.
There are some cool limited skins on there though, right?
Indeed there are, but when do we Anaconda owners get our chance to throw money at you for skins?
Yep. Lack of any consistency. It was laughable seeing a skin for a Dropship before a Python and Anaconda for example.
Oh well. I'm exploring NGC 7822 so I don't need a garish paintjob anyway
Forgive my lack of optimism as where this thread started to go, especially after reading this tonight
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-01-26-redundancies-at-elite-dangerous-dev-frontier
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-01-26-redundancies-at-elite-dangerous-dev-frontier
At least now I know why this got closed so damn fast https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97682&highlight=
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Yeah I can't say I'm super impressed with it either. This being the case I can live without the skins and I'll keep the cash in my pocket. Frontier have had quite enough cash and goodwill from myself.
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The logic of above post escapes me as Michael clearly stated it was a duplicate thread and pointed to another. Moderating forums must be a nightmare.
I agree with idea that Marketing needs to be clear with ambiguous terms like "Limited Time" to prevent fan frustration. But not overly fussed about it. GIG has made several similar mistakes and Disney is the worst for Limited Edition stuff that seems to repeat under vaguely different packaging. Devs are responding, as is Edward, obviously FD are listening and have no reason to intentionally fuss everyone.
Optimistic about Elite's continued development. Re-organizations, especially in very project driven IT world is nothing surprising at all. In retail and restaurants headcount is adjusted weekly and often daily based on sales and changing trends. Not really fussed about recent announcement, and as a publicly traded company we will have more information than about a privately held one anyway, where we would know nothing.
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This keeps it simple and makes a lot of sense. Later ya'll.
Obvious logic escapes you. I'll try to help. That thread was about FD (as it appeared to me) not laying off staff (llike always happens after a game is finished) and not about what they were thinking of doing to fix ED as in Michaels thread. That's why I started a new one as to not muddy Michaels.
But, as opposed to the literally dozens of negative threads being closed, Michael swoops in almost immediately and closes the thread with not so much as even a merge. Topic erased. Have a nice day.
Fast forward a bit and surprise, layoffs. So let's not touch negative threads but let's make sure we close positive ones immediately if we know we're going to make it untrue shortly. I can see the logic in that. Well played, well played.
Following the logic we had until now, it will re-appear on the store on March the 2nd, unlimited, for half the price.
Promises of Ed to remove it on Monday the 9th will just result just in its price being updated to the old one, an updated screenshot and all further calls for clarification remaining unanswered by FD.
Sorry for that sarcasm, but I simply do not trust them anymore.