Python VS Anaconda Mechanics and Economic [ NEED HELP ]

[mongo2006]

Like many of us that actually put in the time and effort to buy and equip a Python I got worried about the so called MINOR NERF. I'm not going to complain about something I have yet to see nor have any control over. People that can actually afford the Python yet alone afford to fly it have set them selves apart, and those that can purchase the Anaconda even more so.

I decided not to sell my Python or any of my ships until I see how drastic the nerfs are, but I have taken measures to soften the blow. A few days ago I started grinding for the sole purpose of buying the Anaconda but I have no idea of what to expect as far as gearing the ship up. In about 2-3 hours I will have made about 150m over the 3 days to purchase it, but like the Python when first bought I'm sure the ship will not be worth piloting until it has a few upgrades. I'm asking you Anaconda owners for a road map to get the Anaconda to a functional state. This will be a pure combat ship as I have my type 9 for trade. Any help would be appreciated.

THIS IS NOT ANOTHER NERF THE PYTHON THREAD, NOR THE START OF NERF THE ANACONDA THREAD... IF YOU DON'T OWN A ANACONDA I DON'T NEED OPINIONS.. JUST FACTS ABOUT GEAR

 

[xaisis]

well I am slowly grinding for better upgrades on my anaconda taking one step at a time. as it takes some time. I have chosen to use the anaconda itself for the trades as she has better range then a T9. I think u will need assests for more then 400m for her to be close to combat ready, and that is without bulkhead upgrades.

First was the FSD, then power, power dis weapons etc. waiting til last with biggest shields, shield cells and repair units as they would take cargo space away.

 

[Khan]

You want a war Conda?

Here is a war Conda.



Don't even bother taking it out until you can sink 200 million into it. If you want to get it out the door early, knock the A shields down to D.

With that kind of build, mind the class ones(turn those into whatever you want to have a turret of) Current pythons cant defeat you if you reverse.

 

[rapace]

I. Am thinking of downgrading my a6 shield on the python to a5 to experience the shield nerf before and be prepared

 

[HeavyGroovez]

Like many of us that actually put in the time and effort to buy and equip a Python I got worried about the so called MINOR NERF. I'm not going to complain about something I have yet to see nor have any control over. People that can actually afford the Python yet alone afford to fly it have set them selves apart, and those that can purchase the Anaconda even more so.

I decided not to sell my Python or any of my ships until I see how drastic the nerfs are, but I have taken measures to soften the blow. A few days ago I started grinding for the sole purpose of buying the Anaconda but I have no idea of what to expect as far as gearing the ship up. In about 2-3 hours I will have made about 150m over the 3 days to purchase it, but like the Python when first bought I'm sure the ship will not be worth piloting until it has a few upgrades. I'm asking you Anaconda owners for a road map to get the Anaconda to a functional state. This will be a pure combat ship as I have my type 9 for trade. Any help would be appreciated.

THIS IS NOT ANOTHER NERF THE PYTHON THREAD, NOR THE START OF NERF THE ANACONDA THREAD... IF YOU DON'T OWN A ANACONDA I DON'T NEED OPINIONS.. JUST FACTS ABOUT GEAR

For combat it will cost you a fortune. You really want a mostly 'A' build and there are some extremely expensive components.

A7 Shield - 51 million

A7 Plant - 51 million or A8 Plant - 152 million

A8 Power Distributor - 28 million

A7 Thrusters - 51 million

 

[Khan]

For combat it will cost you a fortune. You really want a mostly 'A' build and there are some extremely expensive components.

A7 Shield - 51 million

A7 Plant - 51 million or A8 Plant - 152 million

A8 Power Distributor - 28 million

A7 Thrusters - 51 million

Yeah no. You dont need any of that. At all, in fact. Throwing credits at the ship does not make it that much better.

The conda gains so little with A grade gear. See the build I posted above.

Here is why

Power planet? Its overkill at D, Zero reason to go to A.

Power Distributor? The A7 is also overkill as it is for three large guns.

Thrusters only give you 20 meters increase in top speed, not worth dumping into.

Shield is a given. D is more then enough, however if you can afford A go for it.

Sensor's can stay at D. This is a defensive craft that holds its ground. You wont be able to run anyone down anyways, so the range bonus is not required.

 

[rapace]

Yeah no. You need none of that. At all, in fact. Throwing credits at the ship does not make it that much better.

The conda gains so little with A grade gear. See the build I posted above.

hello

that build is interesting. Is the same valid for the python? I have been thinking all a gear is not needed but did not have the time to tinker enough with the options

 

[xaisis]

Yeah no. You need none of that. At all, in fact. Throwing credits at the ship does not make it that much better.

The conda gains so little with A grade gear. See the build I posted above.

It is a good idear to have critical ship combonents at high grade.

 

[HeavyGroovez]

Yeah no. You dont need any of that. At all, in fact. Throwing credits at the ship does not make it that much better.

The conda gains so little with A grade gear. See the build I posted above.

D7 thrusters for an 1100 ton combat build ??


Yeah no.

 

[Khan]

Edit: These fourms suck. Butchering my posts like this.

It is a good idear to have critical ship combonents at high grade.

Not with this ship its not. Instead of having 5 MW more power then you know what to do with, you can have 15 for 100 million more!

Sick of boosting to 250? Well for 50 million you can go 270 instead!

Guns got you down? Instead of 20 seconds of overkill, you can have 50 for 28 million!

Fly the Anaconda and come back to me.

D7 thrusters for an 1100 ton combat build ??


Yeah no.

20 meters.

That's all you get. The optimal is already 400 tons under current mass.

Really want to dump that kind of cash in and rack up insurance just so that your opponent can run away 1 second slower? Or that you can reverse 10 meters faster then you where before, creating less of a second in difference for half a hundred million?

Try again. The D is fine.

 

[HeavyGroovez]

20 meters.

Thats all you get.

Really want to dump that kind of cash in and rack up insurance just so that your opponent can run away 1 second slower?

Try again. The D is fine.

D is fine on a trade build.

For a heavy combat build they are not strong enough.

FSD interdictor in an Anaconda build ?


That loadout is crap. Try again.

 

[Aergwin]

This War Anaconda is almost exactly the same price as my A grade Python....hmmm where ist the next ship dealer....

 

[xaisis]

In principle yes, in practice no. The Python gains much more then the conda when upgrading to A







Not with this ship its not. Instead of having 5 MW more power then you know what to do with, you can have 15 for 100 million more!

Sick of boosting to 250? Well for 50 million you can go 270 instead!

Guns got you down? Instead of 20 seconds of overkill, you can have 50 for 28 million!

Fly the Anaconda and come back to me.



20 meters.

Thats all you get.

Really want to dump that kind of cash in and rack up insurance just so that your opponent can run away 1 second slower?

Try again. The D is fine.

If u downgrade all of the ships components cos its to expensive then it would be better to just buy a cheaper ship.

If u buy medium quality upgrades all the way around then u will get an all round medium quality ship.

Same goes for weapons

Go learn that, then come back to me.

 

[Belsameth]

Edit: These fourms suck. Butchering my posts like this.





Not with this ship its not. Instead of having 5 MW more power then you know what to do with, you can have 15 for 100 million more!

Sick of boosting to 250? Well for 50 million you can go 270 instead!

Guns got you down? Instead of 20 seconds of overkill, you can have 50 for 28 million!

Fly the Anaconda and come back to me.



20 meters.

That's all you get. The optimal is already 400 tons under current mass.

Really want to dump that kind of cash in and rack up insurance just so that your opponent can run away 1 second slower? Or that you can reverse 10 meters faster then you where before, creating less of a second in difference for half a hundred million?

Try again. The D is fine.

Except better thrusters give more than just more speed.... but I am sure you know that, me being just a newb that can barely afford a trade fit Python.

 

[Khan]

D is fine on a trade build.

For a heavy combat build they are not strong enough.

FSD interdictor in an Anaconda build ?


That loadout is crap. Try again.

No its not.

The interdictor is there just for the sake of being there,

You have never flown the ship, this much is extremely obvious. If you had, you would instead tell me that the SCB I posted are not enough to fill a ring on the A shields.

Please, try the components your own damn self instead of speculating. You get a net improvement of 20 meters. Thats it. No amount of proclaiming how the stats add up is going to change that.

If u downgrade all of the ships components cos its to expensive then it would be better to just buy a cheaper ship.

If u buy medium quality upgrades all the way around then u will get an all round medium quality ship.

Same goes for weapons

Go learn that, then come back to me.

Normally this would be the case, however the Conda suffers heavily from diminishing returns. It just really does not benefit enough to have the costs be justifiable. Margional gains are just that, marginal when it comes to practice. The ship is overkill in all regards. Its a matter of how much overkill you wish to have.

Except better thrusters give more than just more speed.... but I am sure you know that, me being just a newb that can barely afford a trade fit Python.

Yep, this is correct.

However in a war conda you are not going to be dog fighting anyone, what you are going to do is reversing and letting your opponents come to you wile turning to compensate when they attempt to pass you and overshoot, rendering the gains to lateral effectiveness moot.

Additionally, if you are in a Python of any kind, you are sorta no longer a newb

 

[Exard3k]

Yeah no. You dont need any of that. At all, in fact. Throwing credits at the ship does not make it that much better.

The conda gains so little with A grade gear. See the build I posted above.

Here is why

Power planet? Its overkill at D, Zero reason to go to A.

Heat Efficiency. D-rating has something like C or even D while an A- or B-rating power plant has a good B. So you better get get a A7/B7 PP instead of a D8. A7 should also have lower mass as a small bonus.

Edit: And better integrity. All guys know where your power plant is, so you get the one with best integrity. All show A, but there are differences (arrow up/down)

 

[xaisis]

No its not.

The interdictor is there just for the sake of being there,

You have never flown the ship, this much is extremely obvious.

Please, try the components your own damn self instead of speculating. You get a net improvement of 20 meters. Thats it. No amount of proclaiming how the stats add up is going to change that.





Normally this would be the case, however the Conda suffers heavily from diminishing returns. It just really does not benefit enough to have the costs be justifiable. Margional gains are just that, marginal when it comes to practice. The ships is overkill in all regards. Its a matter of how much overkill you wish to have.

I like overkill. I am patient and will get the ship the best that it can get for any role I am putting it into. be it Combat or any other. if that is not possible then I will use a cheaper ship.

I like the anaconda and want to see it shine, It is an expensive ship and I will not bring it into combat unless I can afford to.

 

[Khan]

Heat Efficiency. D-rating has something like C or even D while an A- or B-rating power plant has a good B. So you better get get a A7/B7 PP instead of a D8. A7 should also have lower mass as a small bonus.

Heat efficiency is a boon yes, but with the D8 its a pain to go over 100%, you actively have to try to do it. In a combat situation you are not going to get that hot.
Wile yes the A7 is the better choice all around, its un-needed unless you really want to shell out the dosh for it. Showing up on sensors later on is nice and all, but again for the amount you have to pay to pull it off really makes it not worth it to do.

Edit: If your conda's shields are down, then you got bigger problems then if your power plant can take enough of a beating. This is where jumping out is the better option, as nothing outside of 3 T9s can mass lock you, and environments.

I like overkill. I am patient and will get the ship the best that it can get for any role I am putting it into. be it Combat or any other. if that is not possible then I will use a cheaper ship.

I like the anaconda and want to see it shine, It is an expensive ship and I will not bring it into combat unless I can afford to.

All I am stating is that if you wish to bring it into combat, you don't need nearly as much as everyone thinks you do. The only time you would really NEED A grade gear everywhere is when you would fight anther Player Conda, and that almost never happens. Even if it did, One Conda would not fall into the trap of chasing after the other Conda.

 

[mongo2006]

You want a war Conda?

Here is a war Conda.

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Don't even bother taking it out until you can sink 200 million into it. If you want to get it out the door early, knock the A shields down to D.

With that kind of build, mind the class ones(turn those into whatever you want to have a turret of) Current pythons cant defeat you if you reverse.

This isn't as bad as I thought it would be... it's about equal to my upgrades I already have on my Python, in theory I can sell or downgrade some upgrades on the Python to pay for the Anaconda until we see whats going on with the nerfs, I'm not upgrading I'm buying the Anaconda cash so that leaves me a bit of flexibility. Thank you all for helping me work this out.

 

[Derath]

Wading in here in the D camp, if your a peerless combat pilot you'll really get the juice out of the A thrusters but for everyone else chances are you don't even use directional thrusters and the things slower than anything its fighting already. For combat i'd run the suggested setup with a few changes, D everything other than specified, A power distributor more recharge/storage = more pewpew, A shield if you can afford, D will be substantially cheaper.

Obviously A > D but you probably won't notice a vast majority of the upgrades.

Also If i had to bet on somebody, the guy who worked his way from D > A in his combat conda would come way way above somebody who bought an A straight out.