Newcomer / Intro Spacestations and their psycopathic behaviour

Kaare Willoch

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Short story:
I got a shiny new Asp. Even had money for some nive upgrades! Loaded it up with 128t of Palladium, arrived at destination.... and forgot to ask for docking permit in my exitement... I was inside the station when I realized my mistake, tried to boost out, nearly made it! But too late. One more second and I would have been clear! And then station make me go BOOOOOM! Yeah, that was a nice first ride in my Asp.

So... that was 2 million credits lost in a heartbeat. (I had to make some runs uninsured after that. Yikes! That was a risk, I know. But all good now, bank account up to 4 million in savings)

This was my second time doing this mistake. yeah, I may be dumb, but I think it is harsh! How about a little more time to react?
 

hitkill1

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Well i find it that there is enough time to react turn around and get the hell out of there.
This will happen a few times when you start.
Then you will remember to not forgot to request docking.

Also if this kind of stuff is not in place people will just keep harassing people at the entrance of stations.
So it is kind of a good thing.
 

mikekim

mikekim
i find i go through a arrival procedure once i've exited supercruise:

immediately hit full throttle and boost towards station.
ask for docking clearance whilst accelerating to the station.
once docking accepted lower landing gear - which reduces speed.
line up for docking.
once through the letterbox cut throttle and just use thrusters to land.

done it so many times now i dont even have to think about the next step...

the only time this varies is when i have to boost into the station when smuggling.. :)
 

[VR] Frank_G

[VR] Frank_G
Would be nice though to get a little chatter from the station, when everything is in order... Incoming Cobra Mk. III, your docking request has been acknowledged, you are cleared for docking bay 32...
 

Kaare Willoch

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mikekim said:
i find i go through a arrival procedure once i've exited supercruise:
immediately hit full throttle and boost towards station.
ask for docking clearance whilst accelerating to the station.
once docking accepted lower landing gear - which reduces speed.
line up for docking.
once through the letterbox cut throttle and just use thrusters to land.
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This is also my exact routine! And I have done this hundreds of times I guess, but this time my head was in another place. :)
The other time I did it was when my wife was communicating with me while I was trading. She didn´t understand much when I suddenly let out a loud "faaaaaen i helvete" and gave the desk a beating ;)

I get the whole point of the spaceports being strict, but I still think the time you have to get out should be better.
1. Warning
2. Countdown like now
3. Hefty fine if station not cleared
4. Second warning, informing of LETHAL actions incoming
5. New countdown
6. Boom! If still not cleared
 
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Dommarraa

Dommarraa
Or be lazy and get a docking computer. Yes it occasionally gets is disastrously wrong, but not as often as many humans seem to. I like having the time to do a little admin, just keep half an eye on it just in case.
 

Zelos1983

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One problem is that docking permissions sometimes get silently "revoked" without a notice. So always make sure that the blue landing pad number indicator is still lit up when you are near the station.

With the bigger ships, 30s is not always enough time to reverse back out again. I wish they had more sensible timers, because on the other hand, the 10min and 5min docking timers are ridiculously long.

Further, it should also be possible to do some damage to the station, if it starts firing. That would add to immersion.
 

Skip Intro

Skip Intro
Zelos1983 said:
One problem is that docking permissions sometimes get silently "revoked" without a notice. So always make sure that the blue landing pad number indicator is still lit up when you are near the station.
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You always get a red comms messge that tells you when your docking permission is revoked and why, along with a timer telling you how long you have to fix it.

You may be confusing permission with the bug that existed before 1.1 that had the landing indicator 'box' and numbers randomly going out. You could still land on the pad, even without those indicators.
 

FlyingBlind

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I always thought that if I accidentally entered a station without docking permission and couldn't get out I'd just leave the game and log back in empty space. You might think of it as some sort of cheat but it's just a time saver really, not like I'm bailing out in the middle of a fight costing the other dude time and money. Never tried it but just something to keep in mind since AI likes to do crazy stuff in the docking port.
 
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Von Shadow

Von Shadow
1.1 has given us more time..... i know i flew into a station this morning by accident forgetting to ask permission and my 'warning' timer by the time i realised was still 1:12 (1 minute 12 seconds)

I think we have a 90 second limit now
 

Zelos1983

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Skip Intro said:
You always get a red comms messge that tells you when your docking permission is revoked and why, along with a timer telling you how long you have to fix it.
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Nope.

1. You request docking permission
2. Docking permission is granted
3. Docking permission is revoked without explicit notification (blue landing pad number indicator disappears though)
4. You get a notification that you are illegaly entering the space station upon passing the letterbox

Inside the station you cannot acquire a new docking permission (which is somewhat idiotic), so you have to turn around and leave. There is no explicit warning before entering the letterbox that your docking permission has been revoked other than the landing pad number disappearing (which is what you usually don't pay much attention to since you are flying on sight, evading oder CMDRs and lining up with the station).

For some reason, this "bug" happens a lot more often with the T6 than with my Cobra. But it got a lot less common with the last few patches.

Sometimes within the station, when you pass another landing pad too close, your permission is also revoked and usually immediately reinstated, which are both indicated, but that's a totally different thing.
 

Kaare Willoch

K
Highlightshadow said:
1.1 has given us more time..... i know i flew into a station this morning by accident forgetting to ask permission and my 'warning' timer by the time i realised was still 1:12 (1 minute 12 seconds)

I think we have a 90 second limit now
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Is that so? If this is true, then it is fantastic!
Can anyone confirm this?
 

Ism

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Skip Intro said:
You always get a red comms messge that tells you when your docking permission is revoked and why, along with a timer telling you how long you have to fix it.

You may be confusing permission with the bug that existed before 1.1 that had the landing indicator 'box' and numbers randomly going out. You could still land on the pad, even without those indicators.
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It still exists.
 

Skip Intro

Skip Intro
Zelos1983 said:
Nope.

1. You request docking permission
2. Docking permission is granted
3. Docking permission is revoked without explicit notification (blue landing pad number indicator disappears though)
4. You get a notification that you are illegaly entering the space station upon passing the letterbox
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I have honestly never seen that happen in the hundreds of dockings I've done. Apologies and thanks for the info.
 

Kaare Willoch

K
the100thmonkey said:
Confirmed.

I was so busy chatting on Teamspeak last night that I just flew in without requesting docking permission. I had 90 seconds to turn around and get out. I made it out with 72 seconds to spare!
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That is great news!! Tjhank you.

But now I feel a bit burned, since my accident happened two days before this change. With 1 min 30 seconds I could have stopped for a snack before getting out. :p
 

Lasse B.

Lasse B.
Even before patch 1.1 I could get out of the station before the timer ran out. Not by reversing, but by getting the ship fully into the station, going down, doing a half loop and going back out with boost. In a Type 9. On two out of two occasions.

It's possible to pull off with a T9, and it's even easier with any smaller ship.
 

drezen

D
Meh. This seems a bit weak to me and doesn't seem consistent with in-universe behaviour. Think about it; if you were at war, how would you destroy a station? You'd pack a ship to the gills with explosives, fly it inside and blow it the hell up. The atmosphere and the confined space would ensure the station was torn apart pretty easily.

It might be inconvenient, but it makes perfect sense for a station to start shooting the second someone tries to fly in without permission.
 

Hythos

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In a slightly related note...
When approaching an outpost that has landing pads on alternate sides... I will often request, then cancel permission to land, until I get a dock that's on the near-side of the station to my approach.
This has always saved me time.
 

fortyniner

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Kaare Willoch said:
Short story:
I got a shiny new Asp. Even had money for some nive upgrades! Loaded it up with 128t of Palladium, arrived at destination.... and forgot to ask for docking permit in my exitement... I was inside the station when I realized my mistake, tried to boost out, nearly made it! But too late. One more second and I would have been clear! And then station make me go BOOOOOM! Yeah, that was a nice first ride in my Asp.

So... that was 2 million credits lost in a heartbeat. (I had to make some runs uninsured after that. Yikes! That was a risk, I know. But all good now, bank account up to 4 million in savings)

This was my second time doing this mistake. yeah, I may be dumb, but I think it is harsh! How about a little more time to react?
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These stations clearly have some anger issues.
 
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