it can, so your premise is wrong.
arguement: Python vs Viper equal skill python SHOULD win
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it can, so your premise is wrong.
The only thing they see is your stardust?
its suprising how a tuned viper can be so powerful
Again faulty analogy. A Viper is not meant for cargo. Comparing it's cargo capacity to a Hauler's is like comparing the combat ability of a T6 to a Viper.
A Cobra (multi-role) DOES have more cargo capacity than a Hauler. Ditto for an Asp (which also has more than a T6).
Multi-role ships should be better at a given task than a dedicated ship if there is a significant cost difference. An Adder should be worse than a Viper. A Cobra should probably be equal to or slightly worse than a Viper. An Asp should be better. A Python should be significantly better. If this wasn't the case, there would be no reason to purchase any of these ships. They are inferior at trading to an equivalently priced trader and they cost far more to maintain in combat than a Viper.
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I haven't flown either ship, so I have no idea if the current balance is good or not.
My issue is with people who think a Viper should be superior at combat just because it is "dedicated". Multi-role should not be able to overcome a 50-fold price difference.
It is. That doesn't mean a great fighter pilot can't take an Adder and beat the crud out of a Viper or an Asp. It's not the ship. it's not the technology - it's how well the person at the stick uses both.
In any PvP aspect of a game you can find a zillion videos of great players doing 'impossible' things because they know how to play their toon.
That makes me think of that one clip (from Battlefield, isn't it? IDR), of that guy in a jet fighter duel; who jumps out of his plane, sniper rifles the guy in the other plane, then falls back down into his own plane again.
"Can take out a tank" is not the same as "will win the majority of the time vs a tank". If that were true, no military would use tanks since they wouldn't be cost effective at all.
An Anaconda should be the best ship at taking out Anacondas. Python should be 2nd best. If that isn't the case, then it should be changed.
You can post whatever quote you want. The Viper is cheap compared to the Python. 142,000 is far, far less than 56,000,000.
Trust me, it can't. The only way a viper would kill a python currently is with a large skill discrepancy you'd need a competent viper vs basically a non combat python player that level of discrepancy. If your talking "even" skill it just wouldn't happen.
How exactly is my premise wrong?
Man! I'd pay money to see that.
I experienced this in my own modest way playing a Hunter in LOTRO a few years ago. Was at a fort with a bunch of Good guys. We got attacked and overwhelmed. Everyone ran (I tried unsuccessfully to hide - I was a total PvP novice). All the bad guys except one left. This was an experienced brawler class who should have eaten me for breakfast but I just happened to be a very good melee hunter. He wasn't expecting a hunter to stand toe to toe and dodge, stun and fear the crap out of him. He broke and ran and I put a few arrows in his back. (And then ran like hell as his mates came back).
To be clear, I never said it could happen. I also don't have on opinion one way or the other on the nerf. I'm not necessarily supporting the OP. I do think it should be possible for a Viper to win if there is a significant skill difference.
My argument here, once again, is solely with people who think the Viper should be superior. Not superior relative to cost, but straight up superior.
Or put another way: If an elite NPC Python and an elite NPC Viper were to fight, the Python should win the vast majority of the time. It should take several Vipers working together to have an advantage. My argument is with people who feel otherwise.
Quite. The belief that a Nu-Python is helpless is just a myth. I'd lay odds that a good python pilot in an A rated Python will beat a good pilot in an A rated Viper 9/10. This myth of Viper OP comes from too many poor pilots in bigger ships coming across too many good Viper pilots and blaming the ship rather than themselves.
But this is exactly what I'm in favour of. I never implied that this wasn't currently the case.
Then you're fine. Vipers are great fighters in the right hands. What i'm arguing against is the belief that the Big Ship should always win regardless. One of the things I like about ED is that pilot skill and intelligence matters.
I've never argued otherwise. This was not my premise.
Internets are free, so save your monies for a skinpack.
Also, I totally lied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrOIgxQ--Tc
He jumps into the OTHER guy's plane. >__>
Okay - but when you say 'An adder should always be worse than a Viper' you're giving the opposite impression. I understand now.
Then it sounds like we agree. The big ship should usually win unless there is a large difference in skill. To go back to using NPCs: Elite vs Elite the Python should win 99% of the time. Elite (viper) vs. mostly harmless (python) should have the Viper wining a significant number of the engagements.
That is simply fantastic. That guy wins the internet.